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[John Nelson <thatguruguy@xxxxxxxxx>]

There was an Ubuntu phone before this one that hit the market? Which market?
On Jul 23, 2013 11:36 AM, "Josh Leverette" <coder543@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Verizon does want in, but on phones they can control. This won't be the
> first or the last Ubuntu phone to hit market, by any means.
>
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> On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Joey Carlini <moocow1452@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
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>> Wait, why would Verizon be on the advisory board for Ubuntu Touch, if
>> they want nothing to do with above?
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 10:53 AM, Daniel Clem <clem11388@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>
>>> i knew they were bad, but didn't know they were bad.
>>>
>>> AT&T's and other GSM carriers maps does show our house as having medium
>>> signal but my Sister on T mobile can barely make a call without dropping
>>> it. I would like to find someone with AT&T to test it. But I don't know of
>>> any.
>>>
>>> Plus I am "grandfathered into unlimited data” and I tether quite a bit.
>>> So Any other carrier has to have unlimited at a decent price. Say less than
>>> 80 a month for data.
>>>
>>> I have barely made it out of contract with this Motor Droid 2 (3rd
>>> replacement) , hence why I and searching hard for a solid device. I can
>>> make a case for the Edge no big deal.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Leverette <coder543@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hmm. Ok. I use Verizon too, but I would switch to Straight Talk (uses
>>>> AT&T's network) for this phone. Here's why this phone cannot possibly come
>>>> to Verizon.
>>>>
>>>> With CDMA networks, the carrier has complete control over every phone
>>>> that tries to connect to the network. They check the device ID and decide
>>>> whether it is authorized to connect, then they compare the device ID to the
>>>> service plan you've selected and decide whether your service plan allows
>>>> that phone to be used. They claim that this is all for "quality control",
>>>> and that's the reasoning they'll stick to. The reality for end users is
>>>> that any phone they want to use on that network has to go through months of
>>>> *very *expensive testing in the carrier's own labs and field
>>>> personnel. With a GSM network like Straight Talk, you pop your SIM card in
>>>> and go. Canonical would have to ship several Ubuntu Edge phones to Verizon,
>>>> and then Verizon would have to eventually decide that they approve it. But
>>>> wait, what if someone uses Sprint? or one of Japan's CDMA networks? They
>>>> have to send handsets to each of these to each one to approve the phone for
>>>> their network. So, for a 40,000 phone production run, they've just sent off
>>>> between 10 and 100 of the devices to carriers *just for the chance* of
>>>> being accepted. Oh, and since we're now making CDMA and GSM phones, the
>>>> production costs are significantly higher now that we're no longer
>>>> producing 40,000 of one design. We're now making 35,000 of one and *only
>>>> 5,000* of the other. A 5,000 device run would not be affordable.
>>>>
>>>> As you said, what if we made it a GSM/CDMA combo phone? well, that
>>>> means that the majority of your customers now pay for a CDMA antenna that
>>>> they're never going to use. But, it also wouldn't be pioneering anything.
>>>> The Motorola Razr M is a CDMA/GSM combo device with 4G LTE. You still
>>>> wouldn't be able to jump to any carrier you can imagine, because of how
>>>> restrictive CDMA networks are.
>>>>
>>>> Furthermore, Verizon (and any other CDMA carrier) would want *full* control
>>>> of the phone. This is how they screwed the Galaxy Nexus for Verizon (the
>>>> phone I currently have). My GNex is months behind the GSM GNex phones in
>>>> terms of updates, because Verizon took over that, which went against
>>>> everything Google and Verizon agreed to. Verizon also installed bloatware
>>>> on the CDMA GNex. They made a pure phone like a Nexus device into a very
>>>> dirty device. Canonical would have to give up everything that is noble
>>>> about this campaign to get Verizon to let those phones to connect to their
>>>> network.
>>>>
>>>> It cannot happen, and it will not happen. Verizon has great
>>>> infrastructure, but their customer experience has been very unsatisfactory
>>>> for me.
>>>>
>>>> Do no GSM carriers service your area? AT&T has really redoubled their
>>>> infrastructure efforts over the last couple of years, from what I've seen.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:21 AM, Daniel Clem <clem11388@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Agreed. And here in USA the "Modern American Mentality” has taken over
>>>>> and people don't realized that high quality products come at a price. They
>>>>> are used to 2 year contracts that get them "latest hardware” at 200 to 300.
>>>>> But this device being 3 times the power and quality, but not 3 times the
>>>>> price goes over Kant's heads.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am very low income, but I can save up $830 in 3 to 4 weeks. But
>>>>> again, I NEED Verizon because I, as many others also, live in a rural area.
>>>>> Eventually we will have LTE, but not for 2 to 4 years.
>>>>>
>>>>> Since these won't be manufactured till months after the fund ends.
>>>>> Requesting 1 or 2 thousand CDMA should be that hard. Or since this is
>>>>> flagged as a "Open Device ” why not pioneer the first LTE capable Combo
>>>>> phone? CDMA+GSM. Only using the one you need. So later if you wish you can
>>>>> jump to any carrier you can imagine. Making it Truly Open.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just some thoughts. God Bless
>>>>>
>>>>> Josh Leverette <coder543@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stores and resellers were not purchasing from indiegogo yesterday.
>>>>>> There might have been one or two, but that's simply not what happened. This
>>>>>> whole campaign is all about individuals buying these phones. I don't want
>>>>>> to see this campaign fail anymore than you do. People will either buy them
>>>>>> at $830, or they won't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Omar B. <estelar57@xxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >So implementing possibilities to "buy" a smartphone with less specs isn't
>>>>>>> compatible with the goal of this campaign.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A little less specs Not being compatible is your opinion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The only fact I see is that they set a goal and would much prefer for it to be be reached. Am sure they have months or years planning it and waiting for the right moment.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's not so positive if the campaign gets stuck at like 10 or 13 million, there's not much impact about that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Even with less specs the phone will be a top tier phone. But what really makes the phone is not the hardware, but the software combination and possibilities. So it will still do things that many others wont. Getting ubuntu to more users and developers hands has always been a primary goal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyway many resellers got into the 600 promo, but that is over. There's no deal or perk for them anymore, so they left. For Stores and resellers, 40k limited time phones is not that much if you got them, but they don't want to pay full price, because they need to make some returns, so they need now perks that give them discounts for a higher quantity purchase.
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>     Josh
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