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[Josh Leverette <coder543@xxxxxxxxx>]

No, you missed the point entirely. This is a "halo device." Whether it
sells a single one is entirely irrelevant. Its purpose is not to sell in
large quantities, and it isn't meant for people who are short on cash. This
is a device meant for people who want the very best and have the money to
get it.

And I will also say that it's rather insulting to suggest FOSS people do
not have much money. People don't use FOSS because they're poor. They use
it because it's better. Large swaths of the world pirate Windows because
they disagree about the superiority of FOSS. They don't have the money to
buy Windows, but they still use it. Lack of money is not a defining
attribute if the FOSS community by any means.

There will be dedicated Ubuntu phone hardware hitting the market next year,
from a variety of manufacturers. Convince one of them to make a device you
like. There are other fantastic designs besides the iPhone. The iPhone 5 is
an excellently designed piece of hardware, don't get me wrong, but it's not
alone.

Sincerely,
Josh
On Aug 4, 2013 11:28 AM, "Greg W" <mttbrnsmls@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> I didn't miss the point (Canonical is making an erroneous assumption about
> the market--let me explain). I am aware of all the Ubuntu "supported
> models" available on the market. But frankly, I don't like any of them.
>
> The Edge design is unlike any of the Android phones (AKA supported models)
> on the market. So I think it is Canonical that is missing the point by
> assuming the Edge doesn't offer anything more than convergence over an
> "Android container." My argument is that it does to such an extent that
> people will buy it over current "Android container" offerings.
>
> The only physical shell (size/container/design) I really like that is on
> the mobile phone market today is the iPhone 5, and it cannot run Ubuntu. My
> primary hardware criticism with the iPhone 5 is that it does not have
> stereo speakers. The Edge does have stereo speakers and has similar design
> parameters to the iPhone 5: roughly the same size, shape, similar speaker
> placement, button arrangement, etc.
>
> So as the market stands today I am faced with this dilemma: do I want to
> buy the hardware-container I prefer or the software I prefer? With the
> Ubuntu Edge Phone as an option, I could buy both the hardware-container I
> prefer & the software I prefer.
>
> Mobile Phones are different than Laptops/Desktop. You carry them around
> with you all day in a pocket. And the
> shape/weight/thickness/shell-arrangement all become important
> considerations that aren't as important for Laptops/Desktops. I love open
> source, but I do not like Android, and I do not like any of the
> hardware-containers Android offers.
>
> ------------------------------
> From: joerlend.schinstad@xxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 17:55:01 +0200
> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Ubuntu Edge (constructive criticism/advice on
> Canonical's approach)
> To: mttbrnsmls@xxxxxxxxxxx
> CC: estelar57@xxxxxxxxxxx; ubuntu-phone@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> You seem to have missed the point entirely. If you want an Ubuntu Phone,
> then there are phones already available on the market. Supported models
> now, are LG Nexux 4 and Samsung Nexus Galaxy. But there are many more
> unofficial ports.
>
> The reason for the Ubuntu Edge was never to win the market or anything
> like that. Canonical isn't a hardware company. The whole point was to
> create a phone that was much more powerful than any phone that could
> realistically be launched as a commercial product. It is supposed to be a
> means to try out _future_ hardware and to push all boundaries. Even a very
> low-spec smart-phone that you describe, would have to be much more
> expensive than comparable models on the market, simply because of the low
> number of devices that could be sold.
>
> If what you want is for Canonical to become a hardware company and compete
> with Samsung and Apple, then I don't think that's realistic. It's much
> better to attract existing manufacturers who are already in the hardware
> game.
>
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