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[Fola Dawodu <folabiklan@xxxxxxxxx>]

Gentlemen.

At this point it appears you are feeding the troll........

Contribute code. Contribute testing/bug reports. Complaining won't help
On Oct 15, 2013 5:30 PM, "Michal Suchanek" <hramrach@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> On 15 October 2013 18:13, Roberto Alsina <roberto.alsina@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Michal Suchanek <hramrach@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 15 October 2013 17:42, Martin Albisetti <argentina@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> > On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Rasmus Eneman <Rasmus@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >> What Michal Suchanek tries to say is that he wants a way to install
> >> >> click
> >> >> apps from the store while not having internet access on the phone
> (ie.
> >> >> download it on a computer with internet access).
> >> >>
> >> >> A solution to this that I see is to have it possible to install phone
> >> >> apps
> >> >> to the phone from the software centre on the computer.
> >> >> What I mean is:
> >> >> Connect the phone to the computer (by usb for example)
> >> >> Launch Ubuntu Software Center
> >> >> Choose phone in some way (designers needed)
> >> >> Now the software centre shows phone apps instead of desktop apps.
> >> >> Allow the user to install any app (the apps get installed on the
> phone,
> >> >> not
> >> >> the computer)
> >> >>
> >> >> Could be a great feature actually.
> >> >
> >> > Right. So while that is a use case, it certainly isn't top use case at
> >> > all for the majority of the users. It would be foolish for us to
> >> > invest time in something like that at this point.
> >>
> >> Yes, you invest time into making this use case difficult and then say
> >> that's not top use case so will not invest into making it easy.
> >>
> >> Wouldn't it be easier to just not invest into making the use case
> >> difficult in the first place?
> >>
> >> Noo, then Canonical could not have control over users with One Store
> >> To Rule Them All.
> >>
> >
> > I see we are back to sarcasm.
> >
> >>
> >> Oh well. I will see how this pans out but so far it's looking like you
> >> will need an actual Touch device or an emulation somehow attached to
> >> the net so you can download the click apps directly to the Touch
> >> device or fake it somehow - just as sucky as Google store.
> >>
> >
> > Well, you are wrong. You don't need a touch device, you don't need any
> > emulation. You do need to be connected to the Internet to download the
> app.
> > You do need a U1 account to download it from the store. But you can
> > write a script to download it without a device. It's probably 30 lines of
> > code.
> >
> >>
> >> > That said, because authentication is simple (oauth signed request, the
> >> > source code to do so is open source), you can implement it yourself.
> >> > Write a script that searches the store, signs the URL, downloads it do
> >> > the desktop and sends it to the phone. This is what's different from
> >> > Android (and certainly iOS), there's no secret to how to authenticate
> >> > to the store, it's fully open source.
> >> > All our infrastructure on the server and on the phone support this,
> >> > anyone's welcome to write such a script to fit their use case.
> >>
> >> But then for all practical purposes you have connected the phone to
> >> the net - there is stuff like the USB Ethernet gadget or adb or ..
> >>
> >
> > No. You need to have had a general computing device capable of running
> > software in
> > it, connected to some sort of internet access system at some point in the
> > past in order
> > to download a file.
>
> Yes, just as you need a general computing device capable of running
> software in to download Google applications.
>
> > Then you have a click file. Which you can install. From the phone's SD
> card.
> > In the phone. Without any 3rd party apps. Using the terminal. That comes
> > with the phone.
>
> But you *DO NEED 3RD PARTY APPS ON THE DEVICE WITH WHICH YOU DOWNLOAD
> THE CLICK FILE*. A plain web browser clearly does not suffice.
>
> >
> >>
> >> But do you have usually such stuff set up on your PC or a PC in an
> >> internet cafe or Android device or dumb phone? No.
> >> Do those devices manage to download to plain USB thumb drive? Yes.
> >> Even my dumb phone can probably do that.
> >>
> >> But installing click apps from plain storage would just be too simple
> >> and useful, right?
> >>
> >
> > It's also possible today. You have not really tried, have you?
>
> I did not even get an app on storage. TBH I do not have a Touch
> device. I was considering to try and run Ubuntu on my old tablet but
> seeing where the development is directed to I am no longer much
> interested.
>
> Thanks for making it clear that Ubuntu Touch is an alternative to
> Android and iOS but not an *open* alternative.
>
> Michal
>
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