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[Oliver Grawert <ogra@xxxxxxxxxx>]

hi,
Am Mittwoch, den 26.03.2014, 11:31 +0100 schrieb Michael Zanetti:
> On Wednesday 26 March 2014 11:10:38 Riccardo Padovani wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 10:46 AM, Michael Zanetti
> > 
> > <michael.zanetti@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > Hmm, I don't think the hardware button is that much required. I've been
> > > using phones without hardware back button for many years now and never
> > > really missed it. I do agree with Oli tho, that I miss the back button in
> > > a reachable place now.
> > 
> > Agree.
> > 
> > > What I'm not sure about (and thats purely my opinion) is if it was a good
> > > idea to give the bottom edge to app developers. As the proposal says, its
> > > the most important and easily reachable edge. Imo it should be consistent
> > > across the phone experience and be the place where the most important
> > > controls for the current context are placed (e.g. the back button). What
> > > we'll get now is a random surprise whenever you use the bottom edge.
> > 
> > Totally agree, imo consistence is one of most important thing in user
> > experience.
> > I dislike Android because this: every app is different, seems like
> > there is a common base and then a big soup with every idea every
> > developer has.
> > 
> > > I personally hoped we'd keep the panel as it was, but lock it to be always
> > > visible, and if the OSK is visible, move the panel on top of the OSK,
> > > instead of hiding it behind it. I think that would have solved the
> > > discoverability issue too without being that disruptive for the overall
> > > phone experience.
> > Totally disagree.
> > Back button in bottom toolbar is awesome, but it has not be always visible.
> > I have a 4.2 screen and I want to use every single pixel for something
> > useful, I don't want to have some commands always visible.
> > If we need to have back button always visible is better to have
> > hardware buttons.
> > 
> > I really love the bottom toolbar, but I understand can be frustrating
> > for a new user. I don't have any idea on how to fix that, but please,
> > please, don't lose 30 pixel on bottom to have commands always visible
> > and if possible keep back button in an accesible position :-)
> 
> I for one like it a lot too as it is right now. It automatically comes in when 
> the back button shows up, and hides if unused. love it. The one big issue tho 
> is when the OSK is up. You need to dismiss the OSK (which can be tricky enough 
> to make you hate the device if there's a fullscreen text area) and then you 
> still have to pull in the toolbar up. That case sucks big times.
> 
> What I meant is, if we really need to change it to make it more visible, I'd 
> be more willing to give up the little space at the bottom for a always visible 
> toolbar, than the one-handed phone usage.

I fully agree with everything above :) the bottom bar could be a lot
slimmer than it is now FWIW ...

ciao
	oli

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