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[Jouni Helminen <jouni.helminen@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

speaking of Android, their back button is pretty much in the exact same
place - top left. Same with iOS

Agreed there could be a "back" gesture, but what would it be? one finger
horizontal swipes are usually reserved for something else


On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 5:48 PM, Gustavo Niemeyer <gustavo@xxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:

> FWIW, that's how Android's 4.4 immersive mode works too:
>
> "When immersive full-screen mode is enabled, your activity continues
> to receive all touch events. The user can reveal the system bars with
> an inward swipe along the region where the system bars normally
> appear."
>
> https://developer.android.com/training/system-ui/immersive.html
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Matt Richardson
> <m.richardson.1990@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > On 26/03/14 09:46, Michael Zanetti wrote:
> >> On Wednesday 26 March 2014 06:59:47 Martin Pitt wrote:
> >>> Alberto Mardegan [2014-03-25 22:21 +0200]:
> >>>> Just brainstorming: what if sliding left from the lower part of the
> >>>> right edge triggered the "back" action?
> >>> I had pretty much the same proposal yesterday on IRC: E. g. in the
> >>> scopes, swiping (anywhere) to the right doesn't currently do anything.
> >>> That felt like a natural "back" action to me, i. e. move the page that
> >>> I see to the right so that I get back to the previous one. The
> >>> intuition is certainly the other way around in Israel or Japan where
> >>> books are being read from right to left :-), but that could be taken
> >>> into account (support both or look at locale?)
> >>>
> >>> But regardless of how it's done, consistency is the key. I really
> >>> consider the abolishing of hardware back and menu buttons a bad move
> >>> (I hope my old Xperia with proper buttons still lasts a while..),
> >>> which created all these design problems of hoping all developers in
> >>> the world would consistently create back buttons in the UI, or
> >>> otherwise create an undiscoverable inconsistency. So from that POV
> >>> putting it in the current location on the top left title bar is a good
> >>> decision.
> >>>
> >> Hmm, I don't think the hardware button is that much required. I've been
> using
> >> phones without hardware back button for many years now and never really
> missed
> >> it. I do agree with Oli tho, that I miss the back button in a reachable
> place
> >> now.
> >>
> >> What I'm not sure about (and thats purely my opinion) is if it was a
> good idea
> >> to give the bottom edge to app developers. As the proposal says, its
> the most
> >> important and easily reachable edge. Imo it should be consistent across
> the
> >> phone experience and be the place where the most important controls for
> the
> >> current context are placed (e.g. the back button). What we'll get now
> is a
> >> random surprise whenever you use the bottom edge.
> >
> > As a potential solution, what if a short swipe from the bottom showed
> > the toolbar, with longer swipes being handed over to the developer?
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >>
> >> I personally hoped we'd keep the panel as it was, but lock it to be
> always
> >> visible, and if the OSK is visible, move the panel on top of the OSK,
> instead
> >> of hiding it behind it. I think that would have solved the
> discoverability
> >> issue too without being that disruptive for the overall phone
> experience.
> >>
> >> Note aside: The reason why the Launcher on the phone is inverted, is
> because
> >> it was too hard to reach the home button in the top left corner.
> >>
> >> Br,
> >> Michael
> >>
> >
> >
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