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[Yasmany Cubela Medina <yasmanycm@xxxxxxxxx>]

Daniel about you say: "That said, being able to remotely "brick" the phone
(more like locking it down) is probably a vital function for some." its
like that "lock it down".

I think this app will be a greate one

 S.U.C.C.E.S.S
Success is a journey, not a destination.

 Ing. Yasmany Cubela Medina:
Linux user 446757
Ubuntu user 13464


On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 8:30 PM, Daniel Holm <d.holmen@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> I agree with those goals.
>
> About encryption (1) I think that should be taken care of by the system,
> just like on the desktop. Of course third party apps could take care of
> parts of that, like LastPass about passwords, but it is not a focus for my
> app right now. That said, being able to remotely "brick" the phone (more
> like locking it down) is probably a vital function for some.
>
> But the other two goals is definitely a focus.
>
> I've named the project and created a project and a team: Redeo (Latin for
> "I return") its on Launchpad.
>
> Vänlig hälsning / Yours sincerely,
>    Daniel Holm
>    IT Consultant
>    Web Developer
>    Student, Political Science
>    d.holmen@xxxxxxxxx
>    http://www.danielholm.se
> Den 24 apr 2014 01:49 skrev "Yasmany Cubela Medina" <yasmanycm@xxxxxxxxx>:
>
>  I think that 3 goals are really the base of a good anti-thief, but the
>> idea i propose in the first email have one more propose set the phone or
>> device under some brick status if the owner dont not provide the password
>> for say something. The idea of having this app preinstalled or under the
>> main code of the OS its that even if the theif reflash the OS and try to
>> startit this service or app will ask the first owner password because it
>> was registered with the device imei under the owner account.
>>
>> I dont know if i explain my self i know my english its no so good im from
>> spanish mother language
>>
>> S.U.C.C.E.S.S
>> Success is a journey, not a destination.
>>
>>  Ing. Yasmany Cubela Medina:
>> Linux user 446757
>> Ubuntu user 13464
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 6:16 PM, Felipe De La Puente <
>> fdelapuente@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Guys,
>>>
>>> I think it's important to separate the different goals that an
>>> anti-thief strategy (not necessarily a single app) for the Ubuntu OS should
>>> meet.
>>>
>>> In my opinion, the goals are 3 and different:
>>>
>>> 1. Data Protection
>>> 2. Location Tracking
>>> 2. Remote access and control
>>>
>>> (1) could be addressed by password protection and filesystem encryption.
>>> I think password protection is a must. The thief won't be able to uninstall
>>> applications without having the right password for such tasks.
>>>
>>> (2) Just about determining location and sending the data through the
>>> available comm channels.
>>>
>>> (3) This will let the owner take actions on the device, such as deleting
>>> sensitive data, and so on.
>>>
>>> If the OS provides a good solution to (1) I think the freedom and
>>> privacy problems are solved. (2) and (3) are the real goals an anti-thief
>>> app/daemon should address.
>>>
>>> What do you guys think?
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Felipe.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 6:26 PM, Daniel Holm <d.holmen@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi again guys,
>>>>
>>>> >Hello Daniel, thats the idea i was thinking of. I will be happy to
>>>> help.
>>>> >
>>>> >Also i support the idea of pre installed app or merge into the main
>>>> code of OS to be available by default and unable to uninstall or disable
>>>> it. What its your approach to sync location and account data?
>>>>
>>>> Lovely! I'd give you a ping when the project is up.
>>>> I want to use U1DB for this since I found it to be absolutely perfect.
>>>> As long as the app is running, the devices will sync. And due to the
>>>> convergence, the app will be able to handle all of your Ubuntu devices on
>>>> any platform.
>>>>
>>>> Right now the app will show every added device using your Ubuntu One
>>>> account. Device is added on start up and identifiers such as IMEI, serial,
>>>> model and IP will be stored (IP). Also location data if turned on. This is
>>>> the idea. Let's say that I've lost my phone. I just start up the app on my
>>>> laptop, click on the phone in device list and set it as lost. May the
>>>> search begin! See phone on the map using the Location module with the help
>>>> of the systems built in map support.
>>>>
>>>> Also, later (hopefully, otherwise if) when hooks are supported for
>>>> incoming SMS and calls, the app could hook into the message service and use
>>>> codes to set the device as lost if no internet is available. Just like Prey.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >The system has support for click packages which cannot be removed by
>>>> the
>>>> >user. However, if the phone is plugged in to USB and the Android
>>>> >development tools are used, then the device can be wiped completely
>>>> >clean, from underneath the OS. There's nothing we can do about that in
>>>> >the OS itself right now, and any anti-theft support at that low level
>>>> >would have to be implemented by the hardware vendors, not necessarily
>>>> as
>>>> >part of the Ubuntu OS that runs on the device.
>>>> >
>>>> >But as far as click packages go, it is perfectly reasonable to have a
>>>> >pre-installed package that cannot be removed by the user, in normal
>>>> >operation of the phone. The click package system already supports this.
>>>>
>>>> That's wonderful news! Of course ADB could be an issue with lost
>>>> Android devices as well, right? Hardcore theivs that knows how to wipe
>>>> phones and stuff will always be a problem. But for the petty thief, which
>>>> are a majority of the stealer of found devices using Prey are, it's still
>>>> better than nothing. And as stated, we don't want this to be too low of a
>>>> level. If there already is support for not that easily removed click
>>>> packages already, that’s great, and if the app could ship as a part of the
>>>> system that would be even better - which leads us to the next question:
>>>> liberty.
>>>>
>>>> >Ubuntu-Phone and any other GNU/Linux phone should be all about
>>>> >digital-freedoms, NOT digital-constraints.  The Ubuntu Phone will be
>>>> >about YOU, about do-it-yourself(DIY).  Purist DIGITAL-FREEDOM hardware
>>>> >buyers WILL BUY a phone where you can install/change whatever you want
>>>> >whenever you want.
>>>>
>>>> This is a fine line. Of course the app somehow needs to be removed
>>>> somehow if it can be installed. But not that easilty that the thief can
>>>> remove it, than it looses all of it's point and meaning. But HOW easilty
>>>> removed is the question. Or deactivated from settings. The device has to be
>>>> added to the device list in the app, if you don't want it, don't add your
>>>> device.
>>>>
>>>> >I support the idea of DIGITAL-FREEDOM and the final user have the
>>>> real control over the device (software/hardware), but what its the point of
>>>> having an anti-theft software that any user can disable
>>>> or uninstall at any moment?
>>>>
>>>> Bullseye.
>>>>
>>>> And, just as Popey states, there is already a lot of stuff that could
>>>> be considered as "digital constraints". In this case the app will be fully
>>>> open source and the user will have all of the authority to handle the
>>>> devices.
>>>>
>>>> /Daniel Holm
>>>> http://www.danielholm.se
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2014-04-23 20:27 GMT+02:00 Rodney Dawes <rodney.dawes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>>>>
>>>>> The system has support for click packages which cannot be removed by
>>>>> the
>>>>> user. However, if the phone is plugged in to USB and the Android
>>>>> development tools are used, then the device can be wiped completely
>>>>> clean, from underneath the OS. There's nothing we can do about that in
>>>>> the OS itself right now, and any anti-theft support at that low level
>>>>> would have to be implemented by the hardware vendors, not necessarily
>>>>> as
>>>>> part of the Ubuntu OS that runs on the device.
>>>>>
>>>>> But as far as click packages go, it is perfectly reasonable to have a
>>>>> pre-installed package that cannot be removed by the user, in normal
>>>>> operation of the phone. The click package system already supports this.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 2014-04-12 at 18:53 -0430, Yasmany Cubela Medina wrote:
>>>>> > I study the idea of prey but it would be an installed app so if you
>>>>> > could remove it from your phone there is no protection enymore, i
>>>>> mean
>>>>> > if the theif could uninstall de app then this solution its no so
>>>>> > definitive.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > The main idea its to protect the phone(device) from the core main
>>>>> > code, some service that will be configured at start and can be
>>>>> > uninstalled form the system, and only let the phone start if there is
>>>>> > an authorized account in the phone(device)
>>>>> >
>>>>> > S.U.C.C.E.S.S
>>>>> > Success is a journey, not a destination.
>>>>> > Ing. Yasmany Cubela Medina:
>>>>> > Linux user 446757
>>>>> > Ubuntu user 13464
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 2:11 PM, Daniel Holm <d.holmen@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>> >         Hi,
>>>>> >
>>>>> >         I've been thinking about this kind of app as well and would
>>>>> >         very much like one. Since I already use Prey I started there
>>>>> >         and asked them about an app, but they were not yet interested
>>>>> >         in making one for Ubuntu Touch.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >         However, as they pointed out, and which already has been
>>>>> >         discusses, Prey is open source and we could perhaps try to do
>>>>> >         a port. Start a project and let people that want,
>>>>> participate.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >         An app like this is our course a very much wanted one. I
>>>>> don't
>>>>> >         want to loose my lovely Ubuntu phone ;)
>>>>> >
>>>>> >         Vänlig hälsning / Yours sincerely,
>>>>> >            Daniel Holm
>>>>> >            IT Consultant
>>>>> >            Web Developer
>>>>> >            Student, Political Science
>>>>> >            d.holmen@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>> >            http://www.danielholm.se
>>>>> >
>>>>> >         Den 11 apr 2014 14:59 skrev "Yasmany Cubela Medina"
>>>>> >         <yasmanycm@xxxxxxxxx>:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >                 Yes i know about prey and of course we dont need to
>>>>> >                 reinvent the wheel. deliver prey pre instaled and
>>>>> >                 configured on ubuntu phone will be a very good
>>>>> >                 starting point, the main idea its that the phone will
>>>>> >                 be unsusable if its not unther the first owner
>>>>> >                 account.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >                 S.U.C.C.E.S.S
>>>>> >                 Success is a journey, not a destination.
>>>>> >                 Ing. Yasmany Cubela Medina:
>>>>> >                 Linux user 446757
>>>>> >                 Ubuntu user 13464
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >                 On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 7:27 AM, Facundo Batista
>>>>> >                 <facundo.batista@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>> >                         Simos Xenitellis escribió (el 11/04/14
>>>>> 08:52):
>>>>> >
>>>>> >                         >     Did you hear about Pray?
>>>>> >                         >
>>>>> >                         >       https://preyproject.com/
>>>>> >                         >
>>>>> >                         >
>>>>> >                         > And to take it a bit further, you are
>>>>> >                         suggesting to port the client code for Prey
>>>>> to
>>>>> >                         Ubuntu Phone,
>>>>> >                         > https://github.com/prey
>>>>> >                         >
>>>>> >                         > (other clients are available at
>>>>> >                         https://preyproject.com/download )
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >                         It may be an excellent idea if we deliver
>>>>> Prey
>>>>> >                         pre-installed.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >                         My experience: I just bought a Moto-G phone,
>>>>> >                         and tried to setup the "location service in
>>>>> >                         case of theft" of Motorola...
>>>>> >                         it was too complicated, needed to go between
>>>>> >                         phone and web several times, couldn't make it
>>>>> >                         work.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >                         Setting up Prey is a breeze. It's a very well
>>>>> >                         thought product.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >                         My point is: let's not reinvent the wheel :)
>>>>> >
>>>>> >                         Regards,
>>>>> >
>>>>> >                         --
>>>>> >                         .   Facundo
>>>>> >                         .
>>>>> >                         Canonical - Ubuntu Engineering
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
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