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[Jonathan Meek <shrouded.cloud@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hey, allow me to chime in to answer some of your questions:

1. In the designs, it shows the behavior for the bottom edge, namely, to
switch to the alarms view quickly. See the design blog for these new bottom
edge design patterns. [1]

2. Per the latest design patterns, there is no longer a toolbar/footer.

3. I agree that the analog version is not as helpful as it could be.
Perhaps default to digital, or, if analog is a part of the suru feel, add
in the necessary markers to be able to accurately read the clock. This
latter option wouldn't really fix the smaller world clocks, however.

4. I agree, however, I would like to ask if it will be a toolkit thing or
an application thing? Or some mix? Will I be able to say "hey, I want a
crease here" to the toolkit or will I have to eyeball it and implement it
in the background myself? As well, it would be nice to see more official
examples of these design patterns to be able to extrapolate further. I know
everyone is working very hard at Canonical trying to nail these things
down, but we've never had a strong design pattern to follow yet... And we
started to see some things that felt like they fit in properly with the old
patterns and now we have the new patterns.... And even more refined
versions of those new patterns in these clock designs now too.

I'm not sure that that is really an issue yet, but with RTM coming up soon,
the app situation is bound to be all over the place design-wise. I'd love
to see some of the other designs hidden away so we could start
extrapolating patterns and getting community designs out for other
applications to get them more in line to a coherent platform.

[1] Loving the Bottom Edge (
http://design.canonical.com/2014/03/loving-the-bottom-edge/ )


On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 9:33 PM, Joshua Strobl <truthfromlies@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

> I think this is a drastic improvement over the existing Clock application,
> I do have some feedback regarding it:
> 1. With Design starting to utilize the bottom edge, how will the bottom
> edge be utilized in the clock app?
>
> 2. I think the night mode and settings icons (appears to be a settings
> icon, feel free to elaborate exactly what functionality that button
> provides) should be placed in the Toolbar / Footer. It cleans up the page
> slightly and utilizes the Toolbar design. Users will be expecting the
> buttons to be there, as a lot of core apps properly utilize the Toolbar.
>
> 3. I like the clean mix between digital and traditional clock design in
> the current Clock app. The UI with only the traditional UI does not make it
> absolutely clear exactly what time it is. I understand there is the digital
> clock app, but I think it should be something like utilizing the digital
> clock design (showing HH:MM) for the world clock / other timezones, while
> maintaining the existing mixture between digital and traditional clock
> design of the current Clock app for the primary (user) timezone.
>
> 4. I like the design of using the background texture instead of a plain
> #f5f5f5 background color.
>
> - Joshua Strobl
>
> P.S. Sorry Nek, accidentally sent it to only you the first time. Not on my
> own computer at the moment :D
>
> ------------------------------
> From: truthfromlies@xxxxxxxxx
> To: krnekhelesh@xxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: [Ubuntu-phone] [Clock] Clock App Reboot
> Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2014 01:32:06 +0000
>
> I think this is a drastic improvement over the existing Clock application,
> I do have some feedback regarding it:
> 1. With Design starting to utilize the bottom edge, how will the bottom
> edge be utilized in the clock app?
>
> 2. I think the night mode and settings icons (appears to be a settings
> icon, feel free to elaborate exactly what functionality that button
> provides) should be placed in the Toolbar / Footer. It cleans up the page
> slightly and utilizes the Toolbar design. Users will be expecting the
> buttons to be there, as a lot of core apps properly utilize the Toolbar.
>
> 3. I like the clean mix between digital and traditional clock design in
> the current Clock app. The UI with only the traditional UI does not make it
> absolutely clear exactly what time it is. I understand there is the digital
> clock app, but I think it should be something like utilizing the digital
> clock design (showing HH:MM) for the world clock / other timezones, while
> maintaining the existing mixture between digital and traditional clock
> design of the current Clock app for the primary (user) timezone.
>
> 4. I like the design of using the background texture instead of a plain
> #f5f5f5 background color.
>
> - Joshua Strobl
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 21:32:29 +0200
> From: krnekhelesh@xxxxxxxxx
> To: ubuntu-touch-coreapps@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> CC: ubuntu-phone@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; bartosz.kosiorek@xxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [Ubuntu-phone] [Clock] Clock App Reboot
>
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> During the sprint at Malta, I was given new designs for the Clock App to
> make it more aligned with other phone apps like Gallery, Dialer etc. The
> new designs can be seen at
> https://drive.google.com/#folders/0B55Gs35e-jxxNzRzOHVxbmNDbFU. Due to
> the vast amount of design changes and other factors, we (Myself and other
> core apps devs) came to the conclusion that starting fresh would be better
> rather than modifying the old clock app. Some of the main reasons behind
> this decision were,
>
>    1. Timer and Stopwatch are not present in the new clock app. The
>    designers do have a plan to introduce Timer and Stopwatch later but this
>    will most likely happen post RTM. If we were to modify the old clock app,
>    that would mean removing more than 50% of the code out in the process.
>     2. The world clocks back end needs to be rewritten to use the new
>    QTimezone class introduced since Qt 5.2.
>    3. The Clock UI has changed drastically requiring a complete rewrite
>    of the UI code of the old clock.
>
> While I do understand that this close to the RTM it is rather risky to be
> doing something as big as this. However I am personally confident that this
> can be done within the time frame since one of the core functionality *alarm
> *can essentially be copied over from the old clock app to the new one. I
> am also keeping a keen eye on the alarms functionality in the platform side
> of things. Hopefully next week we can expect to have platform deep sleep
> wakeup when an alarm is triggered.
>
> The plan at the moment is to keep the old clock app on the phone until the
> new clock app becomes stable at which point we will swap them. We do intend
> on pushing the old clock app to the store when that happens so that users
> can still install the old clock app for the timer and stopwatch
> functionality.
>
> I have already created a new branch at [1] that you guys can keep an eye
> on for the latest development. In addition we have a session at the
> upcoming Ubuntu Online Summit. You can find the session at [2]. We are also
> tracking feature implementation and their progress at the Trello Board you
> can find at [3].
>
> If you were thinking of contributing to the core apps, now would be the
> ideal opportunity since the code base is small. Join us at the Ubuntu
> Online Summit session where you can voice your concerns and feedback :)
>
> Enjoy your weekend!
>
> [1] lp:~ubuntu-clock-dev/ubuntu-clock-app/utopic-3.0
> [2]
> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1406/meeting/22230/appdev-1406-clock-app-reboot/
> [3] https://trello.com/b/Ie2rAS3W/core-apps-management
>
> Cheers,
>
> Nekhelesh
> Clock App Dev
>
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