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[David Planella <david.planella@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi John,

Sorry to hear about your frustration about lack of support about your port.
I can assure you that folks (be it Canonical employees or volunteer
developers) do care about _any_ contribution to Ubuntu. I'm personally very
thankful that you joined us when we first launched the porting effort. It
was a tough time for early adopters and a platform in development, and to
have stuck with Ubuntu from the times it was a moving target is even more
appreciated.

The Ubuntu community is bigger than just Canonical and it couldn't just
scale if it weren't for contributors taking the lead and helping each
other. If someone hasn't replied about questions or bugs on the port it's
not because they are being ignored, but as Chris mentioned on his reply,
porting is not a trivial process and one where the list of people with the
right domain knowledge is limited. Adding to that, the platform has been
evolving and the initial guide had to be deprecated at some point. There
had been some efforts to rewrite the porting guide afterwards, but everyone
got busy to focus on the launch.

Many people have put a great deal of effort, passion and long hours in
making the phone happen over the last two years. It's been an incredible
effort, I'm very proud of what we've pulled together (including app
developers, porters, users, advocates...) and now that we've got a stable
platform and a phone in the market, I'm looking forward to see a new wave
of ports.

And to confirm what Jelmer is mentioning, yes, the new porting guide is now
in review mode after the initial draft, and we should be publishing it in
the next few days :)

Cheers,
David.

On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 1:55 PM, John Nelson <thatguruguy@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> A brief history lesson.
>
> 1. When I posted the port to the Tab 2 7.0, it wasn't some fringe piece of
> equipment no one had heard of, it was the best-selling 7" tablet in the
> world. In June of 2013, the port stopped working with the latest Touch
> builds, which suggested that the problem was with a change Canonical had
> made to the Touch builds. A request for help posted to this list to get to
> the bottom of the issue was ignored.
>
> 2. Following normal protocol, I posted a bug report about the problem,
> including full logs. The bug report has been ingnored since July of 2013.
>
> 3. Despite statements made from time to time in this list that a new
> porting guide would be posted, that never happened. Instead, the old
> porting guide was listed as "deprecated", and a "Coming soon" page was
> posted instead.
>
> 4. Other people, from time-to-time, post requests for help in porting on
> this list, all of which are ignored.
>
> Simply put, I think you are wrong when you talk about Canonical employees
> helping the community; rather, the community is expected to help Canonical.
> You may say something like, "Hey, but we help people when they are trying
> to get their apps working on Touch!", but I notice that only happens when
> it's an app that has broad appeal, and it should be obvious that the more
> apps that are available, the more likely that Ubuntu Touch will be
> successful.
>
> It is noteworthy that there seems to be no interest on Canonical's part to
> port some of the shiny new scopes developed for the Bq device to the Nexus
> devices that are supposedly fully supported. Again, the community is
> expected to help Canonical, not the other way around (unless such help is
> ultimately in Canonical's financial best interests).
>
>
> On Feb 12, 2015 7:24 AM, "Chris Wayne" <chris.wayne@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > That's really not fair to say, there are really only a few people that
> have the domain knowledge of bringing up a new device, and they are quite
> often helping the community in addition to their (more than) full-time work
> at Canonical
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 7:19 AM, John Nelson <thatguruguy@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> From my experience with porting Ubuntu Touch to the Samsung Tab 2 7.0,
> unsupported devices (everything except the official devices) are COMPLETELY
> unsupported. In other words, you're on your own, and any requests for help
> to this list will be ignored. Because, you know, community. That being
> said, good luck in your efforts.
> >>
> >> On Feb 11, 2015 3:24 PM, "Vladislav Evgeniev" <v.evgeniev@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Dear All,
> >>>
> >>> I'm trying to port Ubuntu Touch for Motorola Photon Q.
> >>>
> >>> I followed the deprecated porting guide and built and uploaded an
> image to the phone.
> >>> The phone bootloops with my image (recovery mode works).
> >>> I checked the last_kmsg file, which contains the following:
> >>>
> >>> [    4.291011,1] initrd: boot mode: ubuntu
> >>> [    4.339081,1] initrd: mounting system.img (user mode)
> >>> [    4.375888,1] EXT3-fs (loop1): error: couldn't mount because of
> unsupported optional features (40)
> >>> [    4.417305,1] EXT2-fs (loop1): error: couldn't mount because of
> unsupported optional features (40)
> >>> [    4.450480,1] EXT4-fs (loop1): mounted filesystem with ordered data
> mode. Opts: (null)
> >>> [    4.466503,1] initrd: device is moto_msm8960
> >>> [    4.608850,0] resout_irq_handler PMIC Initiated shutdown
> >>> [    4.608972,0] PMIC Initiated shutdown cpu_power_off cpu=0
> >>> [    4.608972,1] PMIC Initiated shutdown cpu_power_off cpu=1
> >>> [    4.609125,0] Powering off the SoC
> >>> [    4.609217,0] Calling scm to disable arbiter
> >>> [    4.609339,0] SCM returned even when asked to busy loop rc=-4
> >>> [    4.609400,0] waiting on pmic to shut msm down
> >>>
> >>> Can someone please tell me what might be wrong with the image? And in
> general, is there a troubleshooting guide somewhere?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks in advance!
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Vladislav
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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