ubuntu-scientists team mailing list archive

[Svetlana Belkin <belkinsa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

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[15:00] <belkinsa> #startmeeting Ubuntu Scientists
[15:00] <belkinsa> Er, the meetingbot is gone.
[15:00] <belkinsa> Anyways, who is for the Ubuntu Scientists meeting?
[15:01] <Aleo> Me - Alejandro
[15:01] * balachmar raises hand
[15:01] balachmar belkinsa balloons bdmurray bdrung beisner
benonsoftware benrodrigue beuno bladernr_ broder
[15:01] <belkinsa> #chair belkinsa
[15:01] <belkinsa> #link
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuScientists/Meetings/Agenda/05232014
[15:01] <belkinsa> Anyone else?
[15:02] <belkinsa> Okay, let's start...
[15:02] <belkinsa> #topic Set up monthly meetings
[15:02] <belkinsa> First of all, are too young as team for having
monthly meetings?
[15:03] <balachmar> is that a question, or a statement? :)
[15:03] <belkinsa> Even though monthly meetings creates a better focus
for the team.
[15:03] <Aleo> I think it is better to have monthly meetings
[15:03] <belkinsa> Question, and I meant are we too*
[15:03] <balachmar> Monthly meetings are a good idea I think
[15:04] <balachmar> It is not too often, so it doesn't consume a lot of time
[15:04] <belkinsa> Right, meetings should be under an hour.
[15:04] <balachmar> +1 :)
[15:05] <belkinsa> Should we do this time and the last Friday of the
month?  Or something else?
[15:05] <Aleo> I think that maybe the time for meeting we can change
[15:05] <Aleo> I made mistake in calculation, so I am at 4:00 (am).
[15:05] <balachmar> For me this is a good time, but depending on the
other participants, we might need to rotate times or something
[15:05] <belkinsa> What you have in mind?
[15:06] <Aleo> For me earlier or later is ok.   Last friday of the month
is ok for me
[15:06] <balachmar> thursdays work a little better for me, but I can do
fridays as well
[15:07] <belkinsa> Alright.   I will do a call on the mailing-list on a
better time/day.
[15:07] <belkinsa> #action belkinsa Make a call on mailing-list about
monthly meeting time/day
[15:07] <balachmar> sure, and if times vary a lot, rotating could help
[15:08] <Aleo> If possible let's work on UTC time from the beginning, so
it is easier to calculate
[15:08] <balachmar> sure times need to be communicated in utc
[15:08] <belkinsa> Sorry about that, it was Doodle's fault when I shut
off the timezone setting.
[15:09] <belkinsa> And I will ask about rotating the times/days.
[15:09] <balachmar> no worries
[15:09] <Aleo> no prob
[15:09] <belkinsa> Are we ready to move on?
[15:09] <balachmar> yep
[15:09] <Aleo> yes
[15:10] <belkinsa> #topic vUDS Prep
[15:10] <belkinsa> Again, is this needed for the team or not?
[15:10] <belkinsa> Also, I was asked to be a track lead.
[15:10] <belkinsa> So, I think I can do another track.
[15:10] <balachmar> I am not sure, never attended a vUDS
[15:11] <balachmar> They are normally during my work hours...
[15:11] <belkinsa> vUDS is June 10 to June 12.  Times for the tracks are
unknown at this moment.
[15:11] <belkinsa> vUDS's seem to be for many.
[15:11] <belkinsa> balachmar ^^^
[15:12] <Aleo> What type of activity or role do we have for vUDS? that
would be different from normal meetings?
[15:13] <belkinsa> Tracks are splints that are planning for the cycle
(14.10 for example) and blueprints are created with those goals and the
monthly meetings we work on them.
[15:14] <balachmar> Would you like to use a vUDS to draw more attention
to this?
[15:14] <balachmar> Because we can make blueprints without a vUDS as well
[15:15] <belkinsa> It would be a use and maybe we could get help from
the outside world (the rest of the COmmunity)
[15:17] <Aleo> We can try to participate on the next vUDS, but again the
time of the meetings would be a concern.
[15:17] <belkinsa> That can work.
[15:17] <Aleo> They are to be held on Tue ~ Thu.
[15:18] <balachmar> But we need not all be present at a vUDS
[15:19] <balachmar> just a "delegation" with some prepared work
[15:19] <belkinsa> Not all.  The lead and the ones who want to join in
either in G+ Hangouts or just plain old IRC.
[15:20] <balachmar> I would at least do some preparation together to
make sure there is some concensus
[15:21] <belkinsa> +1
[15:21] <Aleo> Yes, I think that would be good.
[15:21] belkinsa balachmar balloons bdmurray bdrung beisner
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[15:21] <belkinsa> Do you want to take that action item, balachmar, on
mailing the list about the prep and working up a blueprint draft?
[15:22] <balachmar> belkinsa, to be honest I am a bit short on time at
the moment...
[15:22] <belkinsa> Okay, I can take it if you don't mind.
[15:23] <balachmar> I don't mind
[15:23] <balachmar> I will try to pitch in as much as possible
[15:23] <belkinsa> #action belkinsa Work on vUDS Prep and mail the
mailing-list
[15:23] <belkinsa> I understand.
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mhall119 MooDoo MrChrisDruif munz_
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[15:24] <belkinsa> Ready to move on?
[15:24] <balachmar> yep
[15:24] <Aleo> Yes
[15:25] <belkinsa> #topic Discussion of team's goals
[15:25] <belkinsa>
#https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-scientists/+spec/goals
[15:25] <belkinsa> #link
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-scientists/+spec/goals
[15:25] belkinsa balachmar balloons bdmurray bdrung beisner
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[15:26] <belkinsa> I believe this was yours, balachmar.  Want to talk
about them, if you have anything else to add?
[15:26] <balachmar> By the way, I am just reading about the
meetingology, pretty cool :)
[15:27] <belkinsa> It is.
[15:27] <balachmar> Well, I just wanted to find out what the goal(s) of
the group would be
[15:27] <belkinsa> But there seem to be missing bot issues around the
Community.
[15:28] <balachmar> Because the initial description was a bit vague, and
could be interpreted as any one of those
[15:28] <belkinsa> I think they are good ones.
[15:28] <belkinsa> I think I know who we can contact for that fourth item.
[15:29] <balachmar> But I do think we should try to pick one or two of
them to start with (I would actually propose one)
[15:29] <belkinsa> +1
[15:29] <balachmar> And then work one that goal, until we have something
good for that and then pick another.
[15:29] <belkinsa> I like this idea.
[15:30] <belkinsa> Aleo, what do you think?
[15:30] <balachmar> But in the OSS mentality, obviously if someone comes
in with a real passion for any of those items (s)he is free to pursue
[15:30] <belkinsa> Indeed.
[15:30] <Aleo> Yes, I was also thinking similarly, about separating in
groups to handle them.   But we are lacking in manpower
[15:31] <balachmar> Aleo, that is why at the moment we should just pick
one and go for that one
[15:31] <Aleo> so as balachmar proposes it should be better to handle
one at a time.
[15:31] <balachmar> 2 and 3 are very difficult and long term
[15:31] <belkinsa> 4 may have some leads that are outside the Ubuntu
Community that I can contact.
[15:32] <balachmar> It seems that belkinsa already has an idea for at
least one success story
[15:32] <Aleo> Ok, I would like to add one more more.
[15:32] <Aleo> sorry to ask one more
[15:32] <belkinsa> Go ahead.
[15:32] <Aleo> This blueprint page can be edited by anyone, correct?
[15:32] <belkinsa> Correct.
[15:33] <Aleo> No need to be a member of the group, correct?
[15:33] <belkinsa> I believe so.
[15:34] <balachmar> I think you need to be part of the group
[15:35] <Aleo> Ok, that was it.   Most of the wiki/documentation is
public, so I was wondering if we needed a special "privilege" to edit
the documentation.
[15:35] <Aleo> Anyway, let's work on No. 1 then.
[15:35] <belkinsa> Anyone can edit the wiki.
[15:36] <belkinsa> You need a LP and a Ubuntu SSO account.
[15:36] <belkinsa> If you need help, you can aways ask in #ubuntu-doc or
e-mail the doc team's mailing-list.
[15:36] <balachmar> So, for goal#1, there already exists
http://www.osalt.com/ etc
[15:37] <balachmar> But I think it is useful if we would start a wiki or
something to group tools/software into categories that are geared
towards scientists
[15:38] <belkinsa> I was too and I know that Ubuntu Community Help Wiki
has that page on software.
[15:38] <belkinsa> (Switching topics since we are talking about it)
[15:38] <belkinsa> #topic Discussion of what should be on our Wiki Team
Pages.
[15:38] <belkinsa> #topic Discussion of what should be on our Wiki Team
Pages
[15:39] <belkinsa> Maybe we can link that page somewhere on our team pages
[15:39] <Aleo> Is this different from blueprints page?
[15:39] <belkinsa> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuScientists/
[15:39] <belkinsa> Yes, it's our wiki stuff.
[15:39] <Aleo> Ok, thank you
[15:40] <belkinsa> It's where we have the resources to help people.  And
bookkeeping.
[15:40] <Aleo> So, let's start by introducing the team goals
[15:40] <balachmar> ok, so I think there we should have an overview of
what we did
[15:41] <belkinsa> Sure.
[15:41] <balachmar> So indeed start with the goals we identified, but
clearly mention the goals we currently focus on
[15:41] <belkinsa> Alright, should this be on the homepage
(https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuScientists/) or another page
(https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuScientists/Goals)?
[15:41] <balachmar> Then maybe also a small snipper about the people
currently involved
[15:42] <belkinsa> We could.
[15:42] <Aleo> Maybe in the same
[15:42] <balachmar> I think at the home page, it is the first thing I
would want to know
[15:42] <Aleo> For starters
[15:42] <balachmar> snipper = snippets obviously
[15:42] <belkinsa> Okay, I was thinking that to but I still wanted to ask.
[15:43] <balachmar> And for one of the success stories a small excerpt
[15:43] <belkinsa> #action belkinsa Contact Open Science to see if there
is some success stories
[15:43] <belkinsa> Okay, and then we can have a large page with other
stories.
[15:44] <balachmar> ok, so what differentiates us from Open Science?
[15:44] <balachmar> brb
[15:44] <belkinsa> We are of the Ubuntu and it's favours Community and
they are a mix of Dirstos and other things
[15:45] <belkinsa> What I meant was that we are Ubuntu and it's favours
users and we are within this Community and I think we can make some impact.
[15:45] <Aleo> To be clear open science is openscience.org?
[15:45] <belkinsa> Yes.
[15:46] <Aleo> ok, thank you
[15:46] <belkinsa> Wait, no, I meant them: http://opensciencefederation.com/
[15:46] <belkinsa> But I can look at them.
[15:46] * balachmar is back
[15:46] <belkinsa> Just like Ubuntu Women (sorry, I had to go back on
what I said before).
[15:47] <balachmar> ok, sure then I get it
[15:47] <balachmar> I thought that open science was also a group within
ubuntu space
[15:47] <belkinsa> Ah.
[15:47] <Aleo> yes, me too
[15:48] <balachmar> I have no problem with having a similar theme
specific to ubuntu
[15:48] <balachmar> as long as we try to communicate well with other
initiatives
[15:48] <balachmar> no need to do double work
[15:48] <belkinsa> +1
[15:48] <Aleo> ok, so the large page, that belkinsa mentioned is part of
the wiki?
[15:49] <belkinsa> Yes.  Something like
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuScientists/Stories
[15:50] <balachmar> For example with FLOSS alternatives, I think it
might be useful to also state how widespread the use is.
[15:50] <belkinsa> Also we need a page titled
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuScientists/Resources
[15:50] <Aleo> I propose something
[15:51] <belkinsa> balachmar, we should.
[15:51] Aleo Adri2000 ajmitch AlanBell Ampelbein apw ayan
[15:51] <belkinsa> Aleo, go a head.
[15:51] <belkinsa> ahead*
[15:51] <balachmar> For example, I work in data analysis/statistics, and
there are quite a few closed source packages, but R for instance is very
wide spread. Also used in industry a lot.
[15:51] <balachmar> Aleo, go ahead
[15:52] <Aleo> Since belkinsa mentioned the project.   So, for starters
why don't we copy the structure of the Ubuntu Wome's wiki page and use
it as the base for our wiki page
[15:52] <Aleo> This is.  Project, Whois, Meetings and events, Projects,
Resources, Guidelines.
[15:52] <belkinsa> We could but I think it's easily copyable.
[15:53] <Aleo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWomen
[15:53] <belkinsa> Because they have their own wiki not on the Ubuntu Wiki.
[15:53] <belkinsa> Oh, that page?
[15:53] <Aleo> As a starting point
[15:53] <belkinsa> I never know that existed!
[15:53] <belkinsa> knew*
[15:54] Aleo Adri2000 ajmitch AlanBell Ampelbein apw ayan
[15:54] <balachmar> yep, the shois section would be useful indeed
[15:54] <belkinsa> I like that idea, Aleo.
[15:54] <balachmar> me too
[15:54] <Aleo> I have never edited an Ubuntu wiki, but I can volunteer
to try
[15:55] <belkinsa> Sure, I can help you, Aleo.
[15:55] * belkinsa is a part of the Doc Team
[15:55] <belkinsa> Correction, is the driver for the Wiki Sub-team.
[15:56] <belkinsa> Aleo, do you want to do this in a sandbox page first?
[15:56] <Aleo> Sure
[15:56] <belkinsa> Okay
[15:56] <belkinsa> #action Aleo work out a wiki team page
[15:56] <Aleo> I will ask if I cannot do.
[15:56] <belkinsa> Alright.
[15:57] <belkinsa> Are we set on this item?
[15:57] <Aleo> If it is ok, let's set that as a goal/target for the month.
[15:57] <belkinsa> Sure.
[15:57] <Aleo> Yes
[15:57] <belkinsa> #topic AOB
[15:58] <balachmar> I have no other business :)
[15:58] <belkinsa> Oh, I so misread that Aleo.
[15:58] <belkinsa> But sure we can set that as ours.
[15:59] <Aleo> what is AOB?
[15:59] <balachmar> any other business
[15:59] <belkinsa> Any Other Business.
[15:59] <Aleo> ahhh
[15:59] <Aleo> jaja, No more business
[15:59] <belkinsa> Alright.  Ending meeting now
[15:59] <belkinsa> #endmeeting
[15:59] <balachmar> So I think we can/should steal the Whois part of the
women, with profiles of the people involved and then interviews would be
our success stories
[16:00] <belkinsa> Thank you all for coming to the meeting.
[16:00] belkinsa balachmar balloons bdmurray bdrung beisner
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[16:00] <balachmar> sure, you are welcome
[16:00] <belkinsa> balachmar, I like this idea.
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Svetlana Belkin A.K.A: belkinsa
User Wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/belkinsa