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[Ian Santopietro <isantop@xxxxxxxxx>]

I can agree there. Having a Desktop (or "desktop mode") by default
would not be good, but I see no reason why you wouldn't be able to
install it (one way or another).

On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 10:03, Ian Nicholson <ian@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Bottom line, we have a way to provide a default list of apps while still
> allowing advanced users the ability to customize their system as they wish.
> Is that a satisfactory solution for everyone?
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> On Nov 29, 2011 22:11, Thomas Mashos <thomas@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> That's not 100% accurate. You still would have multiple packages (one
> for desktop, one for ubuntutv), otherwise you are making every user
> download more than they need and everything gets bloated. You could
> have a single code base as well, as a single source package can create
> multiple binary packages.
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> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 8:05 PM, Ian Santopietro <isantop@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> That's the big one, but it also takes a lot of load off of the servers,
>> since you only need one copy of the package.
>>
>> On Nov 29, 2011 9:04 PM, "Ian Nicholson" <ian@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 11/29/2011 10:01 PM, Ian Santopietro wrote:
>>>
>>> We could use a custom flag in DEBIAN/control or something in software
>>> center to mark Apps as TV friendly. This would cover the majority of
>>> games,
>>> plus any apps with an interface specifically for TV. This would allow for
>>> an
>>> App to have two interfaces (this is defined in Gnome 3), without
>>> requiring
>>> separate packages or code bases. That way we could add in an option to
>>> software center to allow the installation of "desktop apps". That might
>>> be a
>>> better option that using separate repositories, though it would require
>>> extra effort on the part of the repository maintainer.
>>>
>>> On Nov 29, 2011 7:59 PM, "Ian Nicholson" <ian@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 11/29/2011 08:50 PM, Ian Santopietro wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Other Ian - What do you mean when you say "desktop functionality"?
>>>>
>>>> I mean having a full desktop environment, and access to apps that
>>>> haven't
>>>> been optimized for TVs.
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 29, 2011 5:36 PM, "Ian Nicholson" <ian@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > Other Ian - What do you mean when you say "desktop functionality"?
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Sent from my Palm Pre
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>>>> > On Nov 29, 2011 18:09, Ian Santopietro <isantop@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > What happened to Ubuntu One? I never said they'd be independent, I
>>>> > said they'd function differently from each other, since most users
>>>> > will use a TV for different things from what they use their computer
>>>> > for. But everything would be linked to their Ubuntu One Cloud. Nothing
>>>> > would necessarily be independent. Being connected to a personal
>>>> > network doesn't mean it needs to function exactly identically to, or
>>>> > even have the option to function exactly identically to, a desktop
>>>> > computer. They have to access the same content, and synchronize
>>>> > progress through this content. Once you download a movie to your
>>>> > desktop, you can start watching it on the TV, and finish form the
>>>> > place you left off on your laptop before bed. Once you start listening
>>>> > to music on the TV, you can move over to your smartphone and drive to
>>>> > work without losing your place in the song. Complete and total system
>>>> > integration with Ubuntu One; and wrapping it up in a comfortable,
>>>> > simple to use 10ft UI; is where Ubuntu TV really has the possibility
>>>> > to shine and succeed, not by emulating Desktop functionality.
>>>> >
>>>> > On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 11:20, Jo-Erlend Schinstad
>>>> > <joerlend.schinstad@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> > > I give up.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Creating independent Ubuntu appliances makes no sense to me. I won't
>>>> > > buy
>>>> > > something like that just because it has an Ubuntu sticker on it.
>>>> > > It's
>>>> > > either
>>>> > > a part of my personal network, or it's not. If it's not, then I'd
>>>> > > rather
>>>> > > purchase one from Samsung or LG or something. Single user, one
>>>> > > process,
>>>> > > unconnected...
>>>> > >
>>>> > > That's not my cup of tea.
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Jo-Erlend Schinstad
>>>> > >
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>>>> Ah I see.  This has been something I've been considering, why don't we
>>>> just have a special repo for UbuntuTV, and then allow the users to
>>>> enable
>>>> the other repos as they wish, once they've been warned that it's not
>>>> optimal?
>>>> That way we could leverage the Software Center as a way to install
>>>> applications like games.
>>>>
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>>> So it seems like the main advantage is that it would mean only one code
>>> base that the developers would have worry about.  Is that a valid
>>> assessment?
>>
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