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> Well, if you google multiple complains on forums/maillist/distro bugzillas - that would be quite strong argument.
I can google it only in Ukrainian (there is no point to google it in Eglish or Russian). You know, it's not enough and I probably doesn't find anything.
> I am saying that the problem is not significant enough (considering the frequency of complains)
Frequency of complains? How many users use three keyboard layout in whole world? How many of them use Linux and KDE? (Later I show why DE is matter.) How many of three keyboard layouts Linux and KDE users can understand where is the problem? Not many. I think "frequency" word is not right word in this case.
> Yes, exactly that. Because the person who contributed it wanted it that way - to be sure that he gets the layout he wants, not just "next layout". 
Probably he use just two keyboard layouts. Then he not see difference between keyboard layouts switch order. Then he get layout he wants anyway. That most likely what happened with Ctrl+Alt and Shift+Alt part of code in xkb.
> I do not have issues with that.
Keyboard indicator in KDE can switch keyboard layouts (sequential order) by click. In result keyboard shortcut and keyboard layout indicator follow different orders. So if you use Gnome (or Unity) keyboard layout order is doesn't matter for you. So then congratulations - you not have issues with that!
> If you find people interested in new xkb option - we can continue this discussion.
You mean developers?
> (that have priority because it is there already). I hope you understand that I need some serious reasons to break the way things worked for years (and there is no "right" way - it is a matter of taste). I am not saying that your request does not make sense - I am just asking for some evidence.
I see your point but try to understand mine point too. I habit to use Shift+Alt. There is nice feature in KDE that allow to switch keyboard layout just by click to keyboard indicator, no one other DE have this cool feature. No other OS except Linux with KDE have this cool feature. But it's very, very uncomfortable (I repeat "very very uncomfortable" in this ticket many times because it REALLY very very uncomfortable) to use it with current xkb behaviour, and there is no any way to adjust current xkb behaviour. It's like some night horrible. 
And now you talk about this pointless (seriously, what the point to switch keyboard layouts in back order?) behaviour "that have priority because it is there already" and "the way things worked for years" (sounds like "use [...] because it is there already and that things workder for years"; put into "..." something like Windows, MS Office, etc.) Now you ask me about some things that almost impossible in such situation. But there is no one reason to switch keyboard layouts in back order in first place, isn't it? 
> But that's the best idea I can come up with. Otherwise I'd have to trust every request for changes, which I am not going to do for obvious reasons. If you have better idea - please tell me, I would be quite interested.
I doesn't have better idea. I even doesn't have enought score to create discussion in Talks (in fact I even doesn't have account on LOR, but if I create one - than I will have not enough score to create discussion in Talks; there is no point to create discussion in General or Desktop because in Talks much more peoples). I just want to report this bug. Isn't that is bug when keyboard shortcut (I want to note - default shortcut in many distributions) and keyboard indicator switch keyboard layouts in different order? In fact this is the bug. But you doesn't want to admit it. Why? Probably because you are XKC mainter and Gnome keyboard layout switch mainter (I doesn't forget anything?) so in result you doesn't know about problems what KDE users have with xkb or xkc. So I talk with you about this problem that KDE users who use three keyboard layouts have with xkb. Please tell me, I still need to find a proof of very simple fact - it's uncomfortable when xkb and keyboard layout indicator switch keyboard layouts in different order?

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  Wrong keyboard layout switching order when using more than two layouts

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