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[Ma Xiaojun <damage3025@xxxxxxxxx>]

I personally believe that a modern OS should include all languages out
of box. OS X does this, Windows 8.1 is probably there also.

In the context of Ubuntu, we do have an annoying concept of language
packs.

I and others find it annoying because:
 * Net installing the language packs at the end of Ubuntu installation can have issues in too many ways
 * Installing languages packs after Ubuntu installation is confusing for beginners
 * As I tried some time ago, one cannot select all languages in language selector; there will be obscure error like locale running out of hash space

Including ibus-pinyin is a workaround for language pack annoyance; at least there is some input engine there.
Barebone ibus-table is definitely useless.

But there are many counter-argument for ibus-pinyin inclusion:
 * It is merely useful for Simplified Chinese users; maybe they should use Ubuntu Kylin
 * Language pack of Simplified Chinese picks ibus-sunpinyin instead ibus-pinyin as Pinyin input engine
 * ibus-pinyin is not in good shape both upstream (almost dead) and downstream (outdated, problematic)
 * At English installation of Ubuntu requires non-intuitive enabling process of IBus engines (it is getting better because of keyboard-indicator, but keyboard-indicator has its blocking bugs)

An alternative approach is that we include more IBus engines. We try to
cover all the common languages (ibus-m17n should probably be avoided).
We may reference GNOME/Fedora for a list of common IBus engines. I also
wonder what is Ubuntu Touch doing on this issue.

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https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1164252

Title:
  Improve default selection of IBus related packages

Status in Ubuntu Kylin:
  Fix Released
Status in “ubuntu-meta” package in Ubuntu:
  In Progress

Bug description:
  Currently we have:

  """
  Input methods:

   * (im-config)
   * (ibus)
   * (ibus-gtk3)
   * (ibus-table)
   * (ibus-pinyin)
   * (ibus-pinyin-db-android)
  """

  This is suboptimal in many ways.
  1. ibus-gtk should be included, since we have notable GTK2 applications like Firefox and LibreOffice.
  2. ibus-table doesn't provide a working input method by itself, it needs at least one of ibus-table-* package to work.
  3. ibus-pinyin is useful for only limited set of people; even Simplified Chinese language support defaults to ibus-sunpinyin while UbuntuKylin and LinuxDeepin (a noteable Ubuntu-based distro in China) switch to Fcitx altogether.

  The conclusion is that the real workhorse IBus related packages would be pulled by language support.
  For meta package like ubuntu-desktop, we either leave a barebone IBus (ibus, ibus-gtk, ibus-gtk3) or remove IBus altogether.

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