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[Martin Sandve Alnæs <martinal@xxxxxxxxx>]

On 27 April 2011 17:18, Johan Hake <johan.hake@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> On Wednesday April 27 2011 08:13:29 Martin Sandve Alnæs wrote:
> > On 27 April 2011 17:07, Johan Hake <johan.hake@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > On Wednesday April 27 2011 07:54:14 Anders Logg wrote:
> > > > On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 03:48:42PM +0100, Garth N. Wells wrote:
> > > > > On 27/04/11 15:43, Johan Hake wrote:
> > > > > > When is the element/cell set for a coefficient?
> > > > >
> > > > > It's decided by the form compiler, which does the setting by
> calling
> > >
> > > the
> > >
> > > > > UFL set_foo functions.
> > > > >
> > > > > < If it is during code
> > > > >
> > > > > > generation we can add that process to preprocess or what ne it
> now
> > >
> > > has,
> > >
> > > > > > and the changes will only apply to the preprocessed form.
> > > >
> > > > Good point. It's set in the analysis.py in FFC, right after the call
> > > > to preprocess (compute_form_data).
> > >
> > > Well, then I guess the form which get changed is already stripped from
> > > any DOLFIN specific objects :)
> >
> > That could explain why it has worked. No side effects. Otherwise, just
> pure
> > luck...
>
> :)
>
> > Are there other situations where we per today change the form in a now
> >
> > > illegal
> > > way? Adaptivity comes in my mind...
> >
> > There probably are, since somebody experienced caching bugs related to
> > this.
>
> That was me :)


What did you do to provoke it? Adaptivity? Or just using Expression("...")?
I guess the cache bugs could occur while only using Expression, but that
will still require a replace_elements algorithm (perhaps built into
preprocess)
to work correctly.

> And I have to arrest you on the "now illegal", this is nothing new... :)
>
> He, he, not sure if I actually mean this, but: it is good to have you back!


Well, eh, thanks? :-P
Not sure if I actually mean this, but: it's good to be back :)

Martin

Johan
>
> > Martin
> >
> >
> > Johan
> >
> > > > It only relies on the
> > > >
> > > >   form_data.cell
> > > >   form_data.sub_elements
> > > >
> > > > So we might be able to handle it by making sure the preprocessed_form
> > > > gets as input the two arguments common_cell and common_degree that
> are
> > > > computed in the function _adjust_elements in analysis.py.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Anders
> > > >
> > > > > > Johan
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Apr 27, 2011, at 7:00, Martin Sandve Alnæs <
> martinal@xxxxxxxxx
> > > > > >
> > > > > > <mailto:martinal@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> > > > > >> On 27 April 2011 15:53, Kristian Ølgaard
> > > > > >> <<mailto:k.b.oelgaard@xxxxxxxxx>k.b.oelgaard@xxxxxxxxx
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> <mailto:k.b.oelgaard@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> > > > > >>     On 27 April 2011 15:27, Martin Sandve Alnæs
> > > > > >>     <<mailto:martinal@xxxxxxxxx>martinal@xxxxxxxxx
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>     <mailto:martinal@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> > > > > >>     > On 27 April 2011 13:38, Kristian Ølgaard
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>     <<mailto:k.b.oelgaard@xxxxxxxxx>k.b.oelgaard@xxxxxxxxx
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>     <mailto:k.b.oelgaard@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> > > > > >>     >> On 27 April 2011 13:03, Garth N. Wells
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>     <<mailto:gnw20@xxxxxxxxx>gnw20@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:
> > > gnw20@xxxxxxxxx>>
> > >
> > > > > >>     wrote:
> > > > > >>     >> > On 27/04/11 12:00, Kristian Ølgaard wrote:
> > > > > >>     >> >> On 27 April 2011 12:38, Garth N. Wells
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>     <<mailto:gnw20@xxxxxxxxx>gnw20@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:
> > > gnw20@xxxxxxxxx>>
> > >
> > > > > >>     wrote:
> > > > > >>     >> >>> On 27/04/11 11:08, Kristian Ølgaard wrote:
> > > > > >>     >> >>>> On 27 April 2011 11:52, Anders Logg
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>     <<mailto:logg@xxxxxxxxx>logg@xxxxxxxxx
> > > > > >>     <mailto:logg@xxxxxxxxx>>
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >>     >> >>>>> On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 10:40:50AM +0100, Garth N.
> > >
> > > Wells
> > >
> > > > > >>     wrote:
> > > > > >>     >> >>>>>> We need a quick discussion round to resolve this
> > > > > >>     >> >>>>>> issue
> > >
> > > -
> > >
> > > > > >>     DOLFIN is
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>     >> >>>>>> now
> > > > > >>     >> >>>>>> broken. I guess we need the form compiler to
> decide
> > > > > >>     >> >>>>>> on
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>     the cell and
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>     >> >>>>>> element type, and then have UFL return a new form.
> > > > > >>     >> >>>>>
> > > > > >>     >> >>>>> Yes, Martin mentioned at some point that it would
> be
> > >
> > > easy
> > >
> > > > > >>     to add
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>     >> >>>>> such
> > > > > >>     >> >>>>> a function to UFL (that takes a form and
> replacement
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>     elements and
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>     >> >>>>> returns a new form).
> > > > > >>     >> >>>>>
> > > > > >>     >> >>>>> Martin, could you add such a function?
> > > > > >>     >> >>>>
> > > > > >>     >> >>>> I think ufl.algorithm.transformations.replace would
> > > > > >>     >> >>>> work if FiniteElementBase derived from 'Terminal'.
> > > > > >>     >> >>>> Currently, it derives from 'object', what is the
> > > > > >>     >> >>>> reason
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>     for that?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>     >> >>>> Anyway, it should be simple enough to add something
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>     equivalent for
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>     >> >>>> elements.
> > > > > >>     >> >>>
> > > > > >>     >> >>> I was thinking that we only need to replace
> > > > > >>     >> >>> Coefficients,
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>     e.g. if a
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>     >> >>> Coefficient is defined using an 'incomplete element',
> > > > > >>     >> >>> FFC
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>     can create
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>     >> >>> an
> > > > > >>     >> >>> element, a Coefficient and the perform the
> replacement.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>     Looks like UFL
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>     >> >>> can do this already.
> > > > > >>     >> >>
> > > > > >>     >> >> Yes, I think that should be possible. But what about
> > > > > >>     >> >> quadrature elements?
> > > > > >>     >> >>
> > > > > >>     >> >> If the scheme is not specified when constructing the
> > >
> > > element
> > >
> > > > > >>     (in the
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>     >> >> form), then the scheme
> > > > > >>     >> >> will be determined by the commandline arguments (or
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>     metadata) to FFC.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>     >> >> The
> > > > > >>     >> >> QuadratureElement needs the scheme information in the
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>     constructor in
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>     >> >> order to
> > > > > >>     >> >> generate the points for which it is defined.
> > > > > >>     >> >
> > > > > >>     >> > I don't see the problem. Couldn't FFC generate a new
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>     QuadratureElement
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>     >> > (of the correct degree) and define a Coefficient on it?
> > > > > >>     >>
> > > > > >>     >> I guess it could.
> > > > > >>     >
> > > > > >>     > That would be natural to do simultaneously with replacing
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>     elements in other
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>     > coefficients.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>     Yes, we can start writing the code for this in ffc.analysis,
> > > > > >>     but
> > >
> > > I
> > >
> > > > > >>     think that we will end up with something that might just as
> > > > > >>     well become a 'replace_element' function in
> > > > > >>     ufl.algorithms.transformations
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> The replace_elements algorithm will be easy to add to ufl,
> > > > > >> the problem is what to do with PyDOLFIN Functions and
> Expressions.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Martin
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>     >> Another question is if we should have a separate class in
> > > > > >>     >> UFL for quadrature elements?
> > > > > >>     >> The reason is that UFL uses (family, cell, degree) to
> check
> > >
> > > for
> > >
> > > > > >>     >> uniqueness (through __repr__ --> __hash__),
> > > > > >>     >> but the quadrature element will need the 'scheme' as
> well,
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>     which can
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>     >> be None until FFC determines it.
> > > > > >>     >
> > > > > >>     > Just set it to None by default.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>     Sure, since the scheme will be part of the __repr__, I'll
> add
> > >
> > > the
> > >
> > > > > >>     scheme argument between the degree and form_degree argument
> in
> > > > > >>     FiniteElement:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>     def __init__(self, family, cell, degree=None,
> > > > > >>     quad_scheme=Nonw, form_degree=None)
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>     >> Either we extend the __repr__ of FiniteElement to include
> > > > > >>     >> the
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>     scheme,
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>     > No problem.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>     OK, that is my preferred solution. Just wanted to check if
> > >
> > > anyone
> > >
> > > > > >>     had a problem with the signature increase, or if there were
> > > > > >>     some design reasons to avoid this.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>     >> or we can use a separate class QuadratureElement.
> > > > > >>     >
> > > > > >>     > That would require adding VectorQuadratureElement etc, and
> > > > > >>     > the
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>     same in
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>     > PyDolfin, major waste of time if you ask me.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>     Yes I agree, but necessary if someone objects to extending
> > > > > >>     __repr__.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>     Kristian
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>     > Martin
> > > > > >>     >
> > > > > >>     >> For the majority of finite elements the 'scheme'
> > > > > >>     >> information
> > >
> > > in
> > >
> > > > > >>     >> __repr__ is superfluous, so a separate class might be
> > > > > >>     >> preferable. If we use a separate class, then the question
> > > > > >>     >> is if we want to do:
> > > > > >>     >>
> > > > > >>     >> 1) element = QuadratureElement(cell, degree, scheme)
> > > > > >>     >> or
> > > > > >>     >> 2) element = FiniteElement(family, cell, degree,
> > >
> > > scheme=scheme)
> > >
> > > > > >>     >> when creating a quadrature element object.
> > > > > >>     >>
> > > > > >>     >> For case 2 we probably need to implement
> > >
> > > FiniteElement.__new__
> > >
> > > > > >>     >> to return a QuadratureElement if family == 'Quadrature'.
> > > > > >>     >>
> > > > > >>     >> Kristian
> > > > > >>     >>
> > > > > >>     >> > Garth
> > > > > >>     >> >
> > > > > >>     >> >> Kristian
> > > > > >>     >> >>
> > > > > >>     >> >>> The problem from the DOLFIN side is that the new UFL
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>     Coefficient will
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>     >> >>> be
> > > > > >>     >> >>> different from the DOLFIN/UFL Coefficient, and would
> be
> > > > > >>     >> >>> a ufl.Coefficient and not a dolfin.Coefficient.
> > > > > >>     >> >>>
> > > > > >>     >> >>> Garth
> > > > > >>     >> >>>
> > > > > >>     >> >>>> Kristian
> > > > > >>     >> >>>>
> > > > > >>     >> >>>>>> Garth
> > > > > >>     >> >>>>>>
> > > > > >>     >> >>>>>> On 26/04/11 07:32,
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>     <mailto:noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > >>     <mailto:noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>     ------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>     >> >>>>>>> revno: 1014
> > > > > >>     >> >>>>>>> committer: Martin Alnæs
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>     <<mailto:martinal@xxxxxxxxx>martinal@xxxxxxxxx
> > > > > >>     <mailto:martinal@xxxxxxxxx>>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>     >> >>>>>>> branch nick: ufl
> > > > > >>     >> >>>>>>> timestamp: Fri 2011-04-15 21:44:37 +0200
> > > > > >>     >> >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>     >> >>>>>>> message:
> > > > > >>     >> >>>>>>>   Add warnings to set_foo functions in
> > > > > >>     >> >>>>>>>   finiteelement.py, and remove repr modifications
> > > > > >>     >> >>>>>>>   after construction time.
> > > > > >>     >> >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>     >> >>>>>>>   If this will break your code, it likely wasn't
> > > > > >>     >> >>>>>>>   working correctly anyway and you need to
> rewrite
> > > > > >>     >> >>>>>>>   it before you can update to this UFL version.
> > > > > >>     >> >>>>>>>
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> > > > > >>
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