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[Jeremy Nickurak <jeremy@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

What about just having a protocol for saying "here's something the
application would like to implement", ala the existing indicator applet.
Different implementations could do different things with it. A compliant
window-manager might stick them in the title-bar in a consistent way. If the
window-manager doesn't support it, a different implementation could put them
in the existing indicator applet, or the notification area. It could be a
seperate window, or a panel applet, or a dialog-box.... whatever the
implementer likes.

Handing over control of window decorations to the client applications is
asking for a lot of trouble in terms of desktop look-and-feel consistency,
as well as bugs. Given that there also seems to be better ways of getting
the same features we'd like, application-dictated window decorations seems
like the wrong path to me.

On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 13:49, Scott Kitterman <ubuntu@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>
>
> "Frederik Nnaji" <frederik.nnaji@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> >On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 17:48, Scott Kitterman <ubuntu@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >
> >> "Akshat Jain" <ssj6akshat1234@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Link Copy-Pasta
> >> >
> >>
> http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2010/05/why-you-should-not-use-client-side-window-decorations/
> >> >
> >>
> http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2010/05/follow-up-on-client-side-decorations/
> >> >
> >> >This guy named Martin Gräßlin is a hardcore KWin fan I think,looks like
> if
> >> >he were a senior GNOME developer he would have replaced Metacity with
> >> >KWin.Lol
> >> >
> >> >Design Team?
> >>
> >> He's one of the leading kwin developers. It would be a bit surprising if
> he
> >> was not a fan.
> >>
> >> Personally I find turning window decoration over to applications an odd
> way
> >> to go about increasing consistency on the desktop.
> >>
> >
> >i see the point, though.
> >turning over the title bar design to the app will not increase consistency
> >altogether
> >two things happen, if we do this:
> >* app designers will consider DE-wide consistency more
> >* sooner introduction of gnome-globalmenu
>
> If you're vision of consistency is limited to applications built with a
> single set of technologies for a single type of workspace, then I suspect
> you will fall short of your goal. Most people I know run a somewhat mixed
> set of applications in their DE of choice.
>
> The focus on technology that was applicable across the free desktop in
> previous cycles (such as dbus menu) have a lot of potential to move desktop
> consistency forward for everyone.
>
> I'm curious if you have any examples of a decentralizing change such as csd
> resulting in increased consistency? My experience has been the opposite.
> Developers tend to (naturally) focus on their domain and optimize for that.
> IME it's difficult for them even to realize optimizing their element of the
> system may suboptimize the system as a whole.
>
> Scott K
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