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[Tyler Brainerd <tylerbrainerd@xxxxxxxxx>]

Aren't we after the application selection stage? Any change would have to be
10.10 +1

On May 17, 2010, at 11:04 AM, Jeremy Nickurak <jeremy@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

You certainly point out a few of those "rough edges" :) I'd simply argue
that they're relatively small. If epiphany was to be targetted as a default
browser for 10.10 (for example), we'd find a lot more of these rough-edges,
get more usability testing results, get more developer eyeballs and
keyboards on it, and ultimately get a better web experience for everyone
(IMO :) )

AFAIK, this is approximately the same argument that was made for pulseaudio,
and (although it took several releases to get it to a good state) I think
it's been a huge net win overall.

On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 11:26, Krzysztof Klimonda <
kklimonda@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> On Mon, 2010-05-17 at 10:24 -0600, Jeremy Nickurak wrote:
> (...)
> Hey,
> > Epiphany provides a web browser experience that's much more consistent
> > with the rest of the gtk/gnome desktop environment. It has a few rough
> > edges, but the 2.30.x branch has made some HUGE leaps in terms of
> > usability and website compatability, via the webkit-gtk project.
> Although I agree that Epiphany is a better choice for a GNOME browser as
> it integrates well with the platform (for example using gnome-keyring
> for storing passwords) its rough edges make it hard to use it and there
> are few other things we should think about.
> My biggest issue with Epiphany is the way it handles tabs - they were
> the most important selling point of the Firefox, Google has done a lot
> of work on their implementation to make sure it's great but Epiphany
> uses a default toolkit tabs which simply do not cut it - I can open only
> 8 tabs on my laptop without them being hidden and useless button popping
> out. I can open 14 tabs on Firefox before I get those "scrolling
> buttons" (and I always access a list of all opened tab in a form of
> dropdown menu) and even more on Chromium.
> While I agree that unexperienced users don't really care about tabs, I
> must say that for all the others the ability to manage a lot of tabs is
> important.
>
> Another issue related to tabs and opening new window is that the url bar
> isn't focused - I have to press ctrl+l/F6 every time to start typing
> url.
>
> Both Firefox and Chromium provide way of installing 3rd-party plugins
> (or add-ons) for your browser directly from web pages.
>
> >
> > Epiphany also might yield better results than other browsers like
> > Firefox and Chrome, which use relatively heavyweight custom toolkits
> > and widgets. I get the impression that integrating Epiphany into newer
> > ubuntu design goals (global menu, windicator, etc) would be
> > substantially less work.
> Probably. It uses GTK+ and Firefox uses XUL so Epiphany does look like
> an easier target to at least implement global menu (it should just
> work).
>
> >
> > As someone who's successfully switched to using epiphany for about 99%
> > of my browsing, my experience can't help but ask if epiphany is the
> > best route going forward. Is it getting much attention from Ayatana?
> What about other 1%? :)
>
> I like Epiphany and I believe that Ubuntu needs a browser that is
> visually and technically integrated with the rest of the desktop. I
> don't believe that Epiphany is there yet, though. The cost of switching
> for many users would be just too big and the gain from switching isn't
> obvious for most of them. I think that working on getting Firefox (or
> even better Chromium) more integrated with GNOME may be an easier and
> safer route.
>
> Best Regards,
> --
> Krzysztof Klimonda <kklimonda@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
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