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[Sohail Mirza <mirzmaster@xxxxxxxxx>]

Michael,

I have to start by giving the caveat that I'm neither a UNR user, nor an
Ubuntu dev, so if my opinions seem uninformed... that's because they are.
:)

Your OS X-like dashboard concept for the calculator is interesting, but as
an occasional Mac user, I always disliked the fact that the calculator was
constrained to the dashboard.  My most frequent use-case for calculator use
is when using numbers from a spreadsheet in another window.  Graying out the
background just makes it more difficult read the numbers from the background
app without giving it focus.  Also, would one be able to alt-tab to the
calculator app under your proposed model?

On the topic of an HTML/CSS-based desktop... are you proposing simply an
HTML/CSS UI layer, or a browser-based OS?  The latter has been floated
before [1].  If you think about it, this is almost precisely what Google
intends for Chrome OS.  The browser is essentially the OS, and all the apps
are web applications.  Google's philosophy is that there is no "full" mode
required; browser-based web technologies are getting sophisticated enough
that the benefits of a traditional native application model can hardly
differentiate itself any longer.

Eventually UNR may have to compete with Chrome OS, and we'll need to be able
to justify the desktop application approach against an increasingly more
sophisticated browser-based experience, or evolve to do something similar.

That said, an HTML/CSS/JS UI layer would be nice.  Actually, Mozilla's XUL
[2] similarly tries to capitalize on the well established web development
knowledge-base.

Thanks,

Sohail Mirza

References:

[1] - http://live.gnome.org/ScratchPad/XUL
[2] - https://developer.mozilla.org/En/XUL


On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Michael Jonker
<citizen.jonker@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:

>  A tricky one!
>
> I have the beginning of an idea for this in a sketch I posted one thread
> down. It could lie on the desktop wall, the same as the other 'background
> apps' are. When it gets the focus it renders above everything else. Clicking
> anywhere outside of the calculator minimises it back to the wall. When it is
> active, everything else is slightly greyed out.
>
> There are loads of other issues to think about. The big one is how to make
> it work in portrait mode and what is the transition between portrait/
> landscape.
>
> There is also a lot of potential for radical ideas (I am not a programmer,
> so talk is easy :D )
>
> How about if the whole GUI was rendered through HTML5 and CSS? This has
> potential for an almost 'instant on' GUI after network and web services have
> loaded. The rest of the system resources could start up in the background,
> giving priority to user web activity. A  red indicator light somewhere on
> the screen could go green and fade away to let the user know that all
> services are now available. This simplifies the current approach of having
> to choose between 'quick' or 'full' mode at start-up. I think that starting
> in quick mode will quickly be followed by a user desire to be in full mode.
> Having to restart then will be an annoyance.
>
>
> On Mon, 2010-09-13 at 11:38 -0400, Sohail Mirza wrote:
>
> Fantastic mockup Michael.  :)  I can only echo the kudos being given by the
> others.
>
> One question:  In this scenario of "expose mode, maximized window, and
> nothing else", how will smaller windowed applicatoins like the Calculator be
> handled?  In Meerkat I notice that the Calculator cannot even be maximized,
> and no doubt it would look rather strange when maximized.
>
> Thanks and keep the ideas coming!
>
> Sohail Mirza
>
>
>  On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 5:20 AM, Michael Jonker <citizen.jonker@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>  I have put up an interactive mock up of some of the ways I feel Unity
> can evolve here:
>
> http://www.reviveyourpc.ie/unity/welcome.html
>
> Give each screen a bit of time to cache - it is just linked html.
>
> The key features are:
>
>       * Fully navigable by mousepad tap (therefore screen touch)
>       * Desktop is utilised productively
>       * Only two modes - 1)Application open  2)System GUI root and
>         quickaccess exposed.
>       * Apps get maximum real estate
>
> For the mock up - in application mode - switching is done by clicking on
> the Ubuntu logo @ top left. This could be a mouse gesture or hover-over
> in reality. On touch it could be a shake of the device optional to
> touching the logo.
>
> If anybody wants to tinker, I have put the Gimp file for the screens here:
>
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1306731/Unity.xcf
>
> Michael
>
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