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[Mark Curtis <merkinman@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

"Make it configurable" is not the answer to a (poor?) design. Configurability can be a nightmare, you need to not only make sure that module A works with module B, but that module A (configured in X, Y, or Z behavior) works with module B (configured in X, Y, or Z behavior).
Even if everything were configurable, there would need to be a sensible default, and we'd be right back at this discussion anyway.

> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 15:23:36 +0300
> From: syraxes@xxxxxxxxx
> To: niklas.s.rosenqvist@xxxxxxxxx
> CC: ayatana@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [Ayatana] Application Menus in Unity
> 
> Hello guys,
> 
> The essential problem of the global menu is that its behavior is
> fixed, unchangeable, locked and non-configurable.   This is the first
> needed step  ,  before discussing anything about changing the default
> settings.
> 
> Right now the users have only two options :  like it or dislike it.
> There is no possibility to disable the autohide feature. And it's not
> possible to disable the global menu  (uninstalling the package, or
> editing the bashrc, are  not acceptable ways to disable).
> 
> Having such config options would greatly decrease the amount of
> discussions on this topic :   it's easier to be happy with some
> default settings if it's possible to tweak them ...
> 
> Just for comparision : i haven't noticed any discussions on ayatana
> about changing the default applications in the launcher.  Why ?
> Simply because it's possible to remove the unused icons
> (ex.LibreOffice )  and add others.  So there are no people irritated
> by the default selection ;  hence no vivid discussions ...
> 
> 
> I am not sure why Unity was delivered in 11.04 without a minimal set
> of config options regarding the "global menu".   So I can only guess :
>  it is intentional_by_design.  This is worrying if true ...
> 
> 
> -- 
> Adrian M
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 19:15, Niklas Rosenqvist
> <niklas.s.rosenqvist@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Hi Tony, thanks for your contribution! This was a very good example on why
> > it should always be visible! You can find many more arguments for why we
> > should always have the menu visible in the "Global menu in Oneiric Ocelot
> > (11.10)" thread.
> > 2011/5/31 Tony Pursell <ajp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>
> >> Hi All
> >>
> >> Something happened to me just recently that makes me think it is not a
> >> good thing to remove application menus from view.
> >>
> >> Currently, I only see application menus when I hover over the panel (or
> >> hit F10).
> >>
> >> Recently, I was trying to enable the printer attached to my desktop PC
> >> and in the Printing dialogue's Properties, for my printer, under
> >> Policies, it told me 'Not published - see server settings'.  I had no
> >> idea what 'server' it referred to and I had to resort to the user's
> >> mailing list for help.
> >>
> >> There is, of course, a Server menu in the application menu, but with the
> >> application menu out of view, I had no idea it was there.
> >>
> >> So the point I'm making is, that without then application menu visible,
> >> essential functionality may be hidden from the user. Any arrangement
> >> that requires the user to take action to reveal the application menu can
> >> mean that a user, particularly the less experienced user, may lose out
> >> on full enjoyment of the programs functions.
> >>
> >> Tony
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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