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[nick rundy <nrundy@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Why can't the Session Menu stay basically like it is in 10.04? Why does it need a Bluetooth Menu--there's a Bluetooth Status Indicator isn't there?  Displays. . .? Login Items. . ? Attached Devices. . ? Why is any of this stuff being placed in a Status Menu indicator? Personally, I don't even understand why "System Settings" is in the menu. System Settings should be an item in the "Control Center." It has no purpose or place in a Status menu indicator. That's what the Dash is for.The WHOLE Device-Menu-and-User-Menu concept (wiki:https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeviceMenuAndUserMenu) should be scraped. The Session-Menu as it exists in 10.04 is FANTASTIC. It doesn't need changing. And everything proposed in the wiki is just useless clutter. It's all represented elsewhere and doesn't fit at all as items in a Status Menu indicator. Why was this concept even thought up? What was the point?
Unity is the reason I am still using Linux. If Gnome-Shell was the new ubuntu desktop, I would without any hesitation have returned to Microsoft Windows. I would try KDE and some others over time, maybe. I have already tried KDE a little. But to be honest I'm sick of having to learn whole new desktops. I'm pretty much done. At this point it's either Windows or Ubuntu for me. I've tried Mac OS but can't stand the hardware restrictions (like not having two mouse buttons, not having a backspace and a delete key, etc). 
Gnome-Shell is a disaster. I absolutely hate it. The way it wastes vertical space, the retarded way it handles Restart and Shutdown (I never use suspend on my desktop, yet that's my only choice in the session menu unless I hit Alt). There's pathetic keyboard access to the Top Panel. The list just goes on & on. Unity saved ubuntu as far as I'm concerned.
I just hope Unity with Gnome-3 doesn't end up ruining everything I love about the gnome-2 Unity. Just hearing that there's talk of creating a popup dialog in order to be able to Restart and Shutdown the system is "Gnome-Shell backward thinking." I can't recall how many people I have personally watched sit down in front of Gnome-Shell at my work and start cursing cause they can't figure out how to shut down Gnome-Shell. The common end result = a forced shutdown by holding down the power button. I sit someone down in front of Ubuntu 10.04 or 11.04 and they figure out how to restart or shutdown immediately. Ubuntu already has a fantastically simple and understandable way to control sessions with the Session Menu. People understand it. It works. Leave it alone!


> Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 06:33:26 +0930
> From: david@xxxxxxxxxx
> To: nrundy@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [Ayatana] Comments on the Device & User Menu specs
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> Certainly, I'll leave it up to the folks in UI design like MPT and others to curate the feedback and go from there, you are probably right in that it makes sense to have the devices there, though just from a personal perspective I wish to have the icons removed, I'll see if I can get it added to the power users program or something like that as a sort of a compromise. :)
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> - ikt
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "nick rundy" <nrundy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: david@xxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Wednesday, 3 August, 2011 5:01:30 AM
> Subject: RE: [Ayatana] Comments on the Device & User Menu specs
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> 
> I can see your point :) I hate clutter too, but I think the Launcher is a different beast. Here's why: 
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> different people use computers differently. One user right-clicks to select copy, another selects Edit > Copy from the app menu. I think there needs to be a couple ways of achieving the same thing when ever possible. Being able to click a launcher icon and gain immediate access to an attached USB thumb drive is a useful feature. But a user could open Nautilus and then click the thumb drive in the Side Pane. A little more work, but then there are less items appearing in the Launcher. But here's why I think that argument is not strong enough: by default the launcher is set to auto-hide, it has the ability to scroll and manage lots & lots of icons by design, and it already serves as the "repository" or "bowl" where opened things are corraled. The Launcher was designed to be filled up with stuff. It was designed as the interface tray that holds what users have opened. 
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> If a setting gives users the choice of hiding such things without screwing up the code, then I guess that's up to the developers. My understanding though is that putting settings in like that can sometimes be a real headache and mess with the code in undesirable ways. So I think the current default of showing mounted devices is the best move and IMHO very useful & consistent. 
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> > Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 04:39:17 +0930 
> > From: david@xxxxxxxxxx 
> > To: nrundy@xxxxxxxxxxx 
> > Subject: Re: [Ayatana] Comments on the Device & User Menu specs 
> > 
> > sorry I used a bad example. 
> > 
> > At the moment my USB device is mounted, I have no use for it sitting in the launcher, but I may save something to it via libreoffice. 
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> > If I do go to it I usually go through my home folder or search for a file on the dash. 
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> > I also have a second hard drive mounted for my torrents, if I unmount the drive my torrent program stops running however I have no need to see the drive itself mounted on my launcher. 
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> > Both my usb drive and second hard drive are mounted, but I haven't clicked on the launcher icons once, I would prefer the option to hide them, I'd also like to get rid of the workspace switcher icon as well. 
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> > I might see if I can do something like what happened with re-sizing the launcher (https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/713087) 
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> > - ikt 
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> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "nick rundy" <nrundy@xxxxxxxxxxx> 
> > To: david@xxxxxxxxxx 
> > Sent: Wednesday, 3 August, 2011 4:03:19 AM 
> > Subject: RE: [Ayatana] Comments on the Device & User Menu specs 
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> > when the device is mounted, doesn't this mean you want to use it? If you are done using it, then unmount it and the icon disappears. 
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> > The launcher being able to scroll is awesome and it allows for the space to be able to display mounted devices. Everything I open is represented in the Launcher. It's consistent and allows users to always know where to look for things. 
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> > > Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 03:00:19 +0930 
> > > From: david@xxxxxxxxxx 
> > > To: nrundy@xxxxxxxxxxx; ayatana@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> > > Subject: Re: [Ayatana] Comments on the Device & User Menu specs 
> > > 
> > > Would it be possible to have: 
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> > > Power users > show mounted icons on launcher 
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> > > Like the old: gnome > show mounted devices on desktop 
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> > > ? 
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> > > I prefer having neither showing as I usually only access my device once after I plug it in, and it can appear poorly organised if there are 4+ devices mounted showing in the launcher. 
> > > 
> > > - ikt 
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> > > 
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "nick rundy" <nrundy@xxxxxxxxxxx> 
> > > To: mark@xxxxxxxxxx, ayatana@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> > > Sent: Wednesday, 3 August, 2011 12:45:53 AM 
> > > Subject: Re: [Ayatana] Comments on the Device & User Menu specs 
> > > 
> > > > We might drop the launcher visibility of mounted drives, based on user 
> > > > testing. 
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> > > NO! 
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> > > I PREY this doesn't happen. I LOVE having mounted devices show up in the Launcher. I also love having an icon show on the Desktop. The desktop icon always reminds me I have something mounted when I close my windows. And I routinely access the launcher icon of mounted devices.