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[Ian Santopietro <isantop@xxxxxxxxx>]

I understand your proposal. I think the behavior is too complex. There are
too many conditions regard when to show the launcher and when to show the
window buttons that it's too confusing for many users. It also doesn't make
the Ubuntu button any easier to access, since you still need to aim (for the
launcher, since you can't touch the dash).

My earlier point stands; the initial problems brought up when this thread
was created are now solved, and there doesn't need to be a fix.

On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 11:17, Eylem Koca <eylemkoca@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Ian,
> There may be many if's to describe a use cases but it does not mean
> the design is inconsistent, or complex to use. Please pay attention to
> what I'm describing with those if's. They're only for the
> implementation of the design, not for the user to memorize. There is
> nothing to learn for the user, but the design has to be able
> understand (infer) user intention from user action. That's why there
> are those if's.  It's easy to negate others' ideas but I think more
> time should be spent on understanding them...
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Ian Santopietro <isantop@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> > No, I don't think it would. It may provide a workaround, but there are
> too
> > many if's, which could be inconsistent if the user doesn't know exactly
> what
> > they're doing. I think if the actions of the dash and launcher can't be
> > explained in one paragraph, then it's too complex.
> > The current iteration of Unity one of the major issues with the revised
> > design: visual distinction from the rest of the launcher items. The other
> > issue, isn't a problem because the super key can be used to invoke the
> dash
> > instantly anyway.
> > On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 10:46, Eylem Koca <eylemkoca@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>
> >> Ian,
> >> Do you think my proposal in the previous message could address those
> >> issues?
> >> I think it would but I'm no expert...
> >>
> >> Eylem
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Ian Santopietro <isantop@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> wrote:
> >> > Because the window controls should have gone in the corner, and the
> >> > Usability testing did show that people were clicking on the top icon
> in
> >> > the
> >> > launcher to try and open the dash.
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 10:34, Eylem Koca <eylemkoca@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> OK, sorry, I got it wrong it seems. But then, why oh why did the
> >> >> Ubuntu button have to leave the top left corner? If it did not look
> >> >> like a button, then make it like a button, not displace it. The OP
> >> >> includes a very good mockup for example:
> >> >> http://sites.google.com/site/gandreoliva/hybridbutton
> >> >>
> >> >> I really really think that moving the Ubuntu button out of the
> >> >> very-top-left-corner is a huge mistake.
> >> >>
> >> >> If you really have to place the window control buttons to the
> >> >> very-top-left-corner, then I have a proposal. This just popped into
> my
> >> >> mind, and goes like this:
> >> >>
> >> >> - Make the Launcher cover the whole left edge, going over the top
> >> >> panel at the top left corner. The Ubuntu button (whatever the design)
> >> >> is at the top of the Launcher.
> >> >> - When the cursor is not directed to the top panel, the Launcher
> shows
> >> >> or hides according to normal behavior (dodge, autohide, etc).
> >> >> - If the Launcher is showing, the window controls on the left of the
> >> >> top panel are hidden, the active-app name (and title?) is displayed
> on
> >> >> the top panel (starting from where the window controls would end) and
> >> >> the appmenu is hidden.
> >> >> --- While the Launcher is showing, IF THE CURSOR HITS THE TOP PANEL
> >> >> BEFORE IT HITS THE LAUNCHER, then the Launcher hides, the window
> >> >> controls and the appmenu is displayed on the top panel and the user
> >> >> can interact.
> >> >> --- While the Launcher is showing, the user can activate Dash by
> >> >> either clicking on the Ubuntu button or by pushing the cursor to top
> >> >> left corner (second part should be a user configurable option).
> >> >> - If the Launcher is somehow hidden, and the cursor is NOT on the top
> >> >> panel, the window controls are replaced by an Ubuntu logo (monochrome
> >> >> ala 11.04), followed (towards right) by the active-app name (and
> >> >> title?). Note: this Ubuntu logo is not clickable.
> >> >> --- While the Launcher is hidden, IF THE CURSOR FIRST HITS THE TOP
> >> >> PANEL BEFORE IT HITS THE LEFT EDGE, then the window controls and the
> >> >> appmenu is displayed on the top panel and the user can interact.
> >> >> --- While the Launcher is hidden, IF THE CURSOR HITS THE LEFT EDGE
> >> >> FIRST, the Ubuntu logo on top gracefully grows into a button of its
> >> >> own, while (at the same time) the Launcher fades and/or slides into
> >> >> view (very nice visual attractions can be achieved here). Once the
> >> >> Launcher is shown, the user can click anywhere outside, at which
> >> >> instant, the Launcher and the Ubuntu button fade out of view kind of
> >> >> in a reverse visual effect.
> >> >>
> >> >> (If anyone can make a mockup of this, I'd really appreciate it)
> >> >>
> >> >> I strongly suggest that Canonical and other decision makers consider
> a
> >> >> design of this sorts, and not move the Ubuntu button completely out
> of
> >> >> the very-top-corner. I'm certain a compromise (as above suggestion)
> >> >> that is clever ans usable can be achieved between window controls and
> >> >> Ubuntu button.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 9:38 AM, Matthew Paul Thomas
> >> >> <mpt@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> wrote:
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> >> >> > Eylem Koca wrote on 27/08/11 03:49:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> The current design is justified by the motivation to move the
> window
> >> >> >> control buttons to the top left.
> >> >> >> Apparently, the usability tests for 11.04 design showed that the
> >> >> >> window controls are better on the top left, so they moved the
> Ubuntu
> >> >> >> button out of that location.
> >> >> >>...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > No, the usability test didn't show anything like that. (How could
> it
> >> >> > have, when the test environment used only one placement?)
> >> >> >
> >> >> > What it did show was that, except for a bug, everyone managed to
> >> >> > close a
> >> >> > window. However, 4 of 11 people clicked the Me menu thinking it
> might
> >> >> > be
> >> >> > the close button.
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> > Ian Santopietro
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Ian Santopietro

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