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[Tadej Rosa <tadej.rosa@xxxxxxxxx>]

I feel I should point out that at least in my case, Windows 7 has, after a
fresh install, always defaulted to the "125% bigger" font preset. My monitor
is a 4:3 20in HP, 1600x1200. DPI as I recall is just about 100. I always
prefer to set the fonts to the default setting (100%), but it doesn't seem
to be the default. YMMV

For what it's worth- on my hardware I don't mind the default font and
padding size in Ubuntu, but on anything smaller than my laptop's 1400x1050 I
imagine it would become annoying pretty fast.

TR

2011/10/20 Tomasz Sałaciński <tsalacinski@xxxxxxxxx>

> I've created such a comparsion.
>
> First label shows default monospace font in Windows and in Ubuntu (gedit).
>
> Second label (Setup is loading...) shows Windows interface font (setup
> program) compared to Ubuntu interface font (made in Glade).
>
> See how much Windows fonts are clearer and take a lot less space than
> Ubuntu fonts. 90% of computer users in the world don't have any problem with
> size that Windows uses (I think they spent a lot more money on research what
> font size they should be using) - let's say 10% of them change the size of
> the font. It still leaves 80% of world computer users satisfied (maybe more,
> not counting Macs) with the font we see in Windows. Even with a lot less
> userbase MORE Ubuntu users are complaining about font size.
>
> Imagine when reading a source code file in gedit you have to scroll every
> few lines.. then you have to find where you've left reading. It hurts your
> eyes and makes using of computer a simple pain in the backside.
>
> Of coure - Ubuntu 11 looks fancy. But users will do more than looking at
> the screenshots. If they see that the system is useless except for listening
> to music, watching videos and browsing Facebook - they just stick to using
> Windows. With such big fonts and additional padding, windows in Ubuntu are a
> lot bigger than in other systems. If this is by design, then the design is
> simply completely wrong. You can't satisfy all users, but you should try
> satisfying most user's needs, instead of personal preferences of the
> designers.
>
> W dniu 2011-10-20 15:00, Thibaut Brandscheid pisze:
>
>> 2011/10/17 Matthew Paul Thomas <mpt@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:mpt@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>>
>>
>>
>>    What would help here is for someone to make a screenshot comparison of
>>    the same windows, laid out in exactly the same positions, on Ubuntu,
>>    Windows, and OS X.
>>
>>    ....
>>
>>    We might find that the problem is partly font size, but partly also
>>    size and padding of interface controls.
>>
>>
>>  Here are two similar images showing the file browser and text editor
>> in Windows 7 and Ubuntu Oneiric.
>>
>>  * Ubuntu <http://image-upload.de/image/**KUAqjL/28a9103bae.png<http://image-upload.de/image/KUAqjL/28a9103bae.png>
>> >
>>  * Windows 7 <http://image-upload.de/image/**uyfCCE/e1bc89e7fa.png<http://image-upload.de/image/uyfCCE/e1bc89e7fa.png>
>> >
>>
>>
>> Padding (buttons) and font size are smaller and therefore the interface
>> looks & feels cleaner in Windows 7. Thats the reason why smaller windows
>> seems to be more useful in Windows than in Ubuntu (compared same sized
>> windows).
>>
>> Traditionally GNOME has a lot of padding (negative example → Totem
>> controls) and wasts a lot of screen space (has been reduced a bit last
>> cycles).
>>
>> So what to do?
>>
>>  * Analise every default application UI if they need that big buttons
>>    and that much padding/margin
>>      o use the same padding/margin in every application if possible
>>  * Reduce padding and font size - just a bit → huge difference
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards
>> Thibaut
>>
>> PS: If anybody uses Ubuntu, Win & and Mac and could make more comparison
>> screenshots it would be awesome.
>> I use Windows only for gaming → my Wintendoo ;)
>>
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