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[Ian Santopietro <isantop@xxxxxxxxx>]

Obviously it would need development. A "tagfs" would probably need to put
tagged files into folders based on the tags, for compatibility. But I think
this is the best way forward.
On May 6, 2012 9:42 AM, "shane lee" <shaneymail@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> A tag based system would cause problems for someone who no longer wants to
> use ubuntu or shares files between other operating systems or with other
> people.
> They would then be left with a disorganised mess.
>
> I had similar problems, albeit on a smaller scale, when I used shotwell a
> long time ago.
> By default, tags weren't saved to files so when I stopped using it and
> moved to digikam, I had to manually sort through them all to put them back
> into a folder structure.
>
>
>
> On 6 May 2012 16:18, Ian Santopietro <isantop@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> In my opinion, what Ubuntu really needs I not to replace Nautilus, but to
>> replace the file system it browses. Obviously, it will still be there for
>> system purposes, but it should not be exposed to the end user by default.
>>
>> The concept of the file system is just no longer relevant to modern
>> computing. A tag-based organization system is much more useful, and more
>> user friendly.
>>
>> When a file is saved, instead of choosing a folder to save the file in,
>> they can assign one or more tags. Then, to find a file, the user could
>> simply show all files, with filters for tags. They could also search for
>> specific tags.
>>
>> This provides similar functionality to a modern filesystem, with the
>> benefit of being easier and potentially faster to use, which brings it
>> inline with other Unity goals nicely.
>> On May 6, 2012 2:56 AM, "Thorsten Wilms" <t_w_@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> On 05/06/2012 12:32 AM, Gregory Merchan wrote:
>>>
>>>> While emblems allowed some distinction, a
>>>> tweak to the icon color would have allowed distinctions that carried
>>>> over into the modes with smaller icons.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Uniform walls of folder icons are indeed not very helpful. An old
>>> concept, going beyond just color or emblems:
>>> http://thorwil.wordpress.com/**2008/09/23/infolders-**
>>> informative-folders/<http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2008/09/23/infolders-informative-folders/>
>>>
>>>
>>>  Mainstream GNOME has all but abandoned Nautilus in favor of
>>>> single-purpose applications. That could be just an implementation
>>>> detail, but I don't think I've seen the kind of cohesion that you'd get
>>>> from a good workplace shell, like Nautilus could have been. Unity
>>>> development seems to be proceeding on the premise that a file manager is
>>>> not needed.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Renaming, moving, copying and deleting files hasn't been addressed
>>> outside of file managers (or the commandline), so I don't see how current
>>> GNOME or Unity could do without.
>>>
>>>
>>>  As I see it, there's a need for Unity to have it's own file manager. I
>>>> haven't seen any designs for this, at least none I liked enough to
>>>> remember. Is anyone else giving this any thought? What's going to
>>>> replace Nautilus?
>>>>
>>>
>>> I agree with much you said and do think this should be addressed. I have
>>> to warn against starting a design from "replacement for Nautilus" or "a
>>> file-manager", though. The best answer is not necessarily an application,
>>> technically or in appearance.
>>>
>>>
>>> The Dash, the file dialogs, Nautilus (or similar file-managers) and the
>>> commandline all offer different modes of access with varying capabilities.
>>> That's a whole library of mental models a user needs to pick the best way
>>> for some tasks, plus the cost of choosing many times over.
>>>
>>> - Are all the differences necessary; what are the costs and
>>> opportunities of unification?
>>> - Could at least file-open dialogs be made similar to the Dash?
>>> - Could we avoid file dialogs entirely?
>>> - Could the Dash be extended for managing files or could a file-manager
>>> be Dash-like?
>>> - Are the file and folder semantics even the right answer to user needs?
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>>> http://thorwil.wordpress.com/
>>>
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