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Re: Replacing Nautilus


On 05/10/2012 04:52 AM, Chris wrote:
Hi Ryan and the rest,

I'm not even going to comment on those others that replied, but why exactly can't we do anything if it's a GNOME app? We can modify it, make patches and send those upstream. However, what would be needed to update is the question we should ask. Should we try to update it if it's abandoned by the source? Would it be easier/better maintainable if we switch to a different file manager or let the Dash take over it's place? Those are things to consider. In my honest opinion it will be foolish to completely remove the file manager, because I will not (nor will the rest of the world) remember all the files he/she added to the system so you need a method to navigate your content. I know my way about in the terminal, but I thought the objective was to use it less and less?

With metta, Chris

On Thursday, May 10, 2012, Ryan Gauger wrote:

    Actually, I think if Nautilus was updated and was a lot more
    advanced than it is now (if this is a GNOME application, we can't
    do anything). If it was updated as I stated, i would be happy for
    it to stay. IMHO, Dolphin would suit Ubuntu, but it's too bad it's
    a KDE app. Thanks!

    In Christ,

    On May 9, 2012, at 6:24 PM, nick rundy <nrundy@xxxxxxxxxxx
    <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'nrundy@xxxxxxxxxxx');>> wrote:

    I agree, Nautilus should go. Frankly, I'd like to see Nautilus go
    solely for the fact that this bug still exists:

    It's only logical to assume that GNOME is abandoning
    Nautilus--why else would they devote resources to those stupid
    "single purpose applications" when Nautilus is so plagued with
    bugs and needs much improvement?

    The other thing that makes Nautilus unusable is the fact that it
    doesn't display content of mp3 tags when in details view. When
    I'm managing/deleting things that have mp3 tags (like podcasts),
    the inability to read the mp3 tags in Details view makes Nautilus
    incapable of effectively managing a digital walkman or ipod. I'm
    always forced back to the Windows-Explorer file-browser when I
    need to deal with ipod, walkman etc.

    So hopefully a new file-browser will fix Nautilus-bug-552093 and
    display mp3 tags in Details view but keeps all of Nautilus'
    strengths. Some have complained about looks, but I think Nautilus
    looks good in 12.04. Best it's ever looked IMHO.

    Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 17:32:39 -0500
    From: gregory.merchan@xxxxxxxxx
    To: unity-design@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    Subject: [Unity-design] Replacing Nautilus


    I've been reading this list for a while, but only joined recently
    because I somehow missed that subscription was open. I wish I'd
    joined earlier, because there were times I wanted to offer
    solutions. I'll have to start by offering a problem.

    Nautilus has been becoming less useful with each release. One of
    the most recent offenses to all taste and sensibility was the
    removal of the background setting options for folders. I believe
    emblem settings were removed at the same time with the
    unfortunate side effect of my temporarily emblem-marked folders
    becoming permanently so.

    Nautilus was never really complete. It's never had a Miller
    column mode. Its spatial mode didn't have the toolkit or window
    manager support to work properly: missing were at least proper
    focus handling and something like _NET_WM_URL for a title bar
    path menu. The file property panels were in many cases anemic.
    While emblems allowed some distinction, a tweak to the icon color
    would have allowed distinctions that carried over into the modes
    with smaller icons. The views for collections were never well
    developed and seem to have been dropped altogether. Probably a
    hundred other things that could have been done were not done. It
    seems headed to becoming one of the worst file selection dialogs
    I've ever seen; I expect a "Close" button in the bottom right
    corner any day now.

    Mainstream GNOME has all but abandoned Nautilus in favor of
    single-purpose applications. That could be just an implementation
    detail, but I don't think I've seen the kind of cohesion that
    you'd get from a good workplace shell, like Nautilus could have
    been. Unity development seems to be proceeding on the premise
    that a file manager is not needed. While files and folders may
    not be the best way for me to organize my work, I really can't
    afford to hire a design and programming team to create the
    special purpose applications I need. I'll have to settle for the
    UNIX philosophy of using good single-purpose tools together to
    "roll my own" applications, but the available desktop
    environments don't seem to support that. GNUstep probably does,
    but there's too big of a "get it working right" curve for me. KDE
    might, but I can't use it for very long without getting dizzy and
    nauseated from all the roll-over effects. XFCE seems to have
    broken Gtk+ to achieve a look-and-feel on par with Xaw3d; maybe I
    just tried a buggy release? GNOME's single-purpose applications
    are not the same thing as single-purpose tools. And, really, only
    Unity has gotten rid of all the extra menu bars and put the one
    in the place where it belongs.

    As I see it, there's a need for Unity to have it's own file
    manager. I haven't seen any designs for this, at least none I
    liked enough to remember. Is anyone else giving this any thought?
    What's going to replace Nautilus?

    Needing at least a proper folder system,

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I didn't word that correctly. We are most likely not going to need to edit Dolphin, because we will not be using it in Unity, which is a GNOME shell (not to be confused with GNOME shell by the GNOME authors). Although, at the same time, seriously, Dolphin would be a good file manager to use with Unity, if we maybe forked it and modified it so that it uses GTK, don't you think? Thanks!

In Christ,