Hi Ryan and the rest,
I'm not even going to comment on those others that replied, but why
exactly can't we do anything if it's a GNOME app? We can modify it,
make patches and send those upstream. However, what would be needed to
update is the question we should ask. Should we try to update it if
it's abandoned by the source? Would it be easier/better maintainable
if we switch to a different file manager or let the Dash take over
it's place? Those are things to consider. In my honest opinion it will
be foolish to completely remove the file manager, because I will not
(nor will the rest of the world) remember all the files he/she added
to the system so you need a method to navigate your content. I know my
way about in the terminal, but I thought the objective was to use it
less and less?
With metta, Chris
On Thursday, May 10, 2012, Ryan Gauger wrote:
Actually, I think if Nautilus was updated and was a lot more
advanced than it is now (if this is a GNOME application, we can't
do anything). If it was updated as I stated, i would be happy for
it to stay. IMHO, Dolphin would suit Ubuntu, but it's too bad it's
a KDE app. Thanks!
In Christ,
Ryan
On May 9, 2012, at 6:24 PM, nick rundy <nrundy@xxxxxxxxxxx
<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'nrundy@xxxxxxxxxxx');>> wrote:
I agree, Nautilus should go. Frankly, I'd like to see Nautilus go
solely for the fact that this bug still exists:
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=552093
It's only logical to assume that GNOME is abandoning
Nautilus--why else would they devote resources to those stupid
"single purpose applications" when Nautilus is so plagued with
bugs and needs much improvement?
The other thing that makes Nautilus unusable is the fact that it
doesn't display content of mp3 tags when in details view. When
I'm managing/deleting things that have mp3 tags (like podcasts),
the inability to read the mp3 tags in Details view makes Nautilus
incapable of effectively managing a digital walkman or ipod. I'm
always forced back to the Windows-Explorer file-browser when I
need to deal with ipod, walkman etc.
So hopefully a new file-browser will fix Nautilus-bug-552093 and
display mp3 tags in Details view but keeps all of Nautilus'
strengths. Some have complained about looks, but I think Nautilus
looks good in 12.04. Best it's ever looked IMHO.
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Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 17:32:39 -0500
From: gregory.merchan@xxxxxxxxx
To: unity-design@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [Unity-design] Replacing Nautilus
Hi,
I've been reading this list for a while, but only joined recently
because I somehow missed that subscription was open. I wish I'd
joined earlier, because there were times I wanted to offer
solutions. I'll have to start by offering a problem.
Nautilus has been becoming less useful with each release. One of
the most recent offenses to all taste and sensibility was the
removal of the background setting options for folders. I believe
emblem settings were removed at the same time with the
unfortunate side effect of my temporarily emblem-marked folders
becoming permanently so.
Nautilus was never really complete. It's never had a Miller
column mode. Its spatial mode didn't have the toolkit or window
manager support to work properly: missing were at least proper
focus handling and something like _NET_WM_URL for a title bar
path menu. The file property panels were in many cases anemic.
While emblems allowed some distinction, a tweak to the icon color
would have allowed distinctions that carried over into the modes
with smaller icons. The views for collections were never well
developed and seem to have been dropped altogether. Probably a
hundred other things that could have been done were not done. It
seems headed to becoming one of the worst file selection dialogs
I've ever seen; I expect a "Close" button in the bottom right
corner any day now.
Mainstream GNOME has all but abandoned Nautilus in favor of
single-purpose applications. That could be just an implementation
detail, but I don't think I've seen the kind of cohesion that
you'd get from a good workplace shell, like Nautilus could have
been. Unity development seems to be proceeding on the premise
that a file manager is not needed. While files and folders may
not be the best way for me to organize my work, I really can't
afford to hire a design and programming team to create the
special purpose applications I need. I'll have to settle for the
UNIX philosophy of using good single-purpose tools together to
"roll my own" applications, but the available desktop
environments don't seem to support that. GNUstep probably does,
but there's too big of a "get it working right" curve for me. KDE
might, but I can't use it for very long without getting dizzy and
nauseated from all the roll-over effects. XFCE seems to have
broken Gtk+ to achieve a look-and-feel on par with Xaw3d; maybe I
just tried a buggy release? GNOME's single-purpose applications
are not the same thing as single-purpose tools. And, really, only
Unity has gotten rid of all the extra menu bars and put the one
in the place where it belongs.
As I see it, there's a need for Unity to have it's own file
manager. I haven't seen any designs for this, at least none I
liked enough to remember. Is anyone else giving this any thought?
What's going to replace Nautilus?
Needing at least a proper folder system,
Greg
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