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Re: Religion in the Ubuntu namespace

 

Yes, this is offtopic and should be discontinued from this mailing list.
This has nothing to do with Ubuntu or Unity.

Sincerely,
kroq-gar78


On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 12:51 PM, Michael Hall <mhall119@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> This has nothing to do with unity design, please find a more appropriate
> channel for these kinds of discussions.
>
> Michael Hall
> mhall119@xxxxxxxxxx
>
>
> On 05/10/2012 10:48 PM, Jo-Erlend Schinstad wrote:
> > I know there's work in progress on the Code of Conduct, but I wanted to
> > address this topic here, because this is the only place in the Ubuntu
> > Context I've ever had this problem. In order for everyone to properly
> > understand the importance, I'll explain very briefly – and to the entire
> > community – why this is so important to me and why it makes me want to
> > step back from the community. But I primarily want to explain why I'm
> > here and why it's important that people like myself don't go away –
> > though everyone seems to want us to.
> >
> > I begin reacting to religion a long time before my rational reasoning
> > begins.
> >
> > Religion is such a strong topic for me. My grandmother was brought up as
> > extremely christian. And she's been a very powerful presense in my
> > family. On my fathers side, everyone's non-religious, I think. But my
> > grandmother was taught that everything nice was evil. Music, for
> > instance. And I'm a musician. And cards. I'm a card artist. And games.
> > I'm a pool player. Mostly everything I love, she was taught, is evil.
> > However, the final years of her life, after my mother died, she was very
> > lonely. And I spend large amounts of time with her, talking about life
> > and death. And it was so important to me that my efforts to talk
> > honestly to her, didn't affect her beliefs. That really took a
> > commitment. Because I was always confident that I would be able to
> > convince her that her beliefs didn't make any sense, but I didn't want
> > to take it away from her - even subconciously. . I respect my elders and
> > their religions. It doesn't mean they're right.
> >
> > I've spent a very large part of my life talking about religion – all of
> > the big ones – though I've never been one myself. I can argue with
> > priests or mullahs or anyone. It is extremely interesting to me,
> > understanding what makes people think the way they do. Whether they're
> > different because of age, religion, sex or sanity, really doesn't matter
> > that much to me, as long as I truly understand. That's also why I want
> > to engage in the way people use computers. Because I don't only consider
> > them as tools. I consider them as a new part of our reality. In my inner
> > mind, I call it the hypersynapsis. I think it's bigger than computers
> > and bigger than the internet, but definitely not bigger than humans.
> >
> > Ubuntu was never sold to me. I joined because it immediately clicked
> > with all of my strange personal vectors. I fight very hard for Ubuntu,
> > but I also defend Microsoft – simply because much of the things people
> > are saying, isn't true.
> >
> > I hope I never have to defend my beliefs in any Ubuntu channel ever
> > again. Because it's the one and only time I do. And it feels wrong to
> > me, that I should be forced out of the community because of my
> > non-religious beliefs – weird as they may be.
> >
> > Jo-Erlend Schinstad
> >
>
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