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Re: indicators belong to app/window not os/distro
On 08/08/12 01:49, Ryan Gauger wrote:
> On Aug 7, 2012, at 7:34 PM, Matt Richardson
> <mailto:m.richardson.1990@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>> I do like the idea of moving the window controls as you suggest, but
>> the suggestion here was to move the indicators so that they fall
>> outside of the window rectangle.
>> I also agree that if users had a reasonable idea about system
>> semantics then designing accordingly would mean design would match
>> user expectation.
>> My experience is that most users don't think about the system
>> semantics. As an example, many people think of the office suite as a
>> reason to choose an operating system, despite the fact that the
>> office suite is not technically part of the operating system.
>> Take that perspective on whether indicators should be moved outside
>> the window rectangle and it's my opinion that most users would be
>> more bothered by increasing the mouse travel distance than by
>> semantically correct placement.
>> p.s. My use of the word 'surely' was simply a figure of speech. In
>> future I will try to make it clear that I am expressing only my own
>> On 08/08/12 00:43, Benjamin Bach wrote:
>>> On Aug 2, 2012, at 2:45 AM, Matt Richardson
>>> <mailto:m.richardson.1990@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>> > I often hear suggestions like this; about where something
>>> should be
>>> > placed or how it should behave because it belongs to this or that
>>> > technical part of the system, but surely something should be
>>> interaction, not
>>> > system semantics.
>>> Not "surely". Just "maybe". There are not definitive answers.
>>> System semantics are important as well, because having a correct
>>> understanding will guide the user's intuition.... blah blah blah.
>>> Anyways, here's an example of how to alter the top bar such that the
>>> title of a window + its buttons will be correctly attached to the
>>> so-called rectangle of the window, adhearing to those spacial
>>> ("gestalt") laws of UI design -- without taking up more space:
>>> - Ben
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> I like how indicators are now.