Re: [Ayatana] Design problem: Menus hidden by default in Unity

To: Matthew Paul Thomas <mpt@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>

Subject: Re: [Ayatana] Design problem: Menus hidden by default in Unity

From: Marc Lajoie <manorapide@xxxxxxxxx>

Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 19:30:08 +0800

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But one of the solutions proposed for the hidden menu problem, that of not showing the title at all for maximized windows, would probably lead to exactly the problem I'd like to avoid. I suspect this would lead some applications to try to identify themselves in the menu, say, by replacing the standardly named "file" menu with the name of the application (as in OS X), in order to avoid confusion. This would be an example of using the menu as an indicator.

Marc Lajoie

On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 6:58 PM, Matthew Paul Thomas <mpt@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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Marc Lajoie wrote on 16/03/11 09:23:
>...

> Advantages to current setup: Increases free vertical space; removes
> visual clutter; creates a disincentive to use the menu as an
> "indicator" conveying useful information for which it's not suited
> (more standardized and consistent menu headings across different
> applications is definitely something to be encouraged, taking the
> guesswork out of menu hunting).

Do you know of any Ubuntu application that was trying to use its menu
titles as an "indicator" in the first place?

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