Re: [Ayatana] What to do with the menubar on non-full screened windows.

[SorinN <nemes.sorin@xxxxxxxxx>]

Klevin, you say :
" No, it would take more clicks than the expected, I think that, if
not my idea, the button on titlebar is handlier than this.
", talking about the show / hide menu-bar button.

It will not take many clicks because if I need to see the menubar I
click the button and the menubar will stay there as long as I need, I
will not close the menu-bar in the next 2 seconds - I will set some
menubars to be visible for ever and some menubars to be hidden forever
- so I will use the suplemental click only one time. But my apps will
stay as I've planned for them. One setting - one time - for ever - I
didn't see any actions in plus here ..just economy and ergonomy
..user-based.  if the the same show / hide menubar can present the
menu at the right click - then we can have even more functionality. I
will propose this combined solution to Ayatana but in other context
not on this topic.

btw - this is also about user cases - each approach ( menu-button like
Firefox 4 or a button for show / hide the menu-bar) can have more or
less acceptance from user-base, depend on the specific scenario for
each user category. It's hard to satisfy all peoples with a single
solution so they must have options - at lest the final choice will be
on the user-side so complaints will be reduced to the normal.
 Anyway the purpose of those solutions is to save vertical space.
Both approaches deserve this cause but the show / hide button will let
you to choose which app. will have menu always visible all time and
which not.

For example Bluefish will show the menu for ever, Nautilus Elementary ..never.
If you will think this way you will see also the advantages.

Global menu probably fit well with the Mac user which is not so
"multitasking" as Linux / Windows users. They do a lot with less
because the good software integration and beside global-menu (which is
not a good "global" solution), they have other good UI solutions for
any kind of applications. Doing more with less - they usually don't
have so many open windows at a time ( like Linux users have ).

This is why general public will go with Ayatana over Gnome 3 shell.
With Gnome 3  I observed I can do less with more and first impression
was " where I am ? how I can open this ? how I can do that ? ".
Ayatana is different  - they search / they try / they adapt / they
wrong & they correct / they go forward. At the end of the day I see
Ayatana UI probably the most effective OS UI paradigm.

2011/3/30 klevin92@xxxxxxxxx <klevin92@xxxxxxxxx>:
> No, it would take more clicks than the expected, I think that, if not my
> idea, the button on titlebar is handlier than this.
>
> 2011/3/29 SorinN <nemes.sorin@xxxxxxxxx>
>>
>> it should be a clearly determined action nor a spontaneous one
>> ..probably most of time people just want to move the window.
>>
>> the way Nautilus Elementary act now - is quite right - when you hide
>> menu-bar a button come up and you can use that button as menu for most
>> important functions.
>>
>> A button placed on metacity top for show / hide menu bar would be
>> welcomed. at least will not broke anything.
>>
>> 2011/3/30 klevin92@xxxxxxxxx <klevin92@xxxxxxxxx>:
>> > Guys, I just thought on an excelent way to hide de menubar on
>> > unmaximized
>> > windows:
>> >
>> > When you hover the mouse over the window title, the menu slides out from
>> > it
>> > in the same window. How about that?
>> >
>> > 2011/3/29 SorinN <nemes.sorin@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >>
>> >> good question
>> >> when you have more than 2 windows, is very confusing.
>> >> because I don't use small  screens (21 and 24), I almost never use
>> >> full-screen maximised windows.
>> >> I have enough space and I'm happy with that. I've tried global menu
>> >> for a while but it come to be
>> >> a nonsense on a large screen. With Gnome Panel or in KDE you always
>> >> know where you are.
>> >> They question which arise is why you have to cross all screen with the
>> >> mouse when the menubar of a non-maximised application (Bluefish for
>> >> example)
>> >> can be very close to your mouse ?. Global menu - on my personal
>> >> opinion is just a good solution for small screens.
>> >>
>> >> Menu button inside window decorations provide a good alternative for
>> >> saving vertical space on 16:9 and 16:10 screens - even small screens
>> >> and probably more and more applications will use this solution in
>> >> future.
>> >> Most used items can stay visible on front, not-so-widely-used items
>> >> can be hidden under menu button.
>> >>
>> >> 2011/3/29 Saleel Velankar <svelanka@xxxxxxxxx>:
>> >> > In a nonmaximized window on
>> >> > a. a large screen
>> >> > b. with other nonmaximized windows present
>> >> >
>> >> > The global-menubar fails for these reasons.
>> >> > 1. Confusion on which application the menu is for.
>> >> > 2. Having to move the mouse an obscene amount
>> >> >
>> >> > In my 1 + 2 = not nice behavior.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2011/03/menu-button-inside-window-decorations/
>> >> >
>> >> > I have been reading this, and I think that the mockup provides a good
>> >> > compromise in non maximized windows. Thoughts?
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Saleel
>> >> >
>> >> >
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