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[Ma Xiaojun <damage3025@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 9:19 AM, pirast <1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi Ma, thanks for your commitment :)
> The Dell support does not have a clue, and on the Ubuntu-side I only have the option to rely on community based support.

That's probably the case for many Linux OEM systems.
I once bought a desktop computer with Linspire pre-intsalled.
I cannot find a way to start X so I gave up soon and installed Ubuntu 10.04.
One guy asked a question about SUSE Enterprise Linux on his laptop the
other day in local LUG mailing list, no one has a clue since no one
used that distribution before.

Ubuntu is a little better since there is a community.

> Personally, it really saddens me because I've been a free software advocate and have been using Ubuntu since 4.10.
> Now I think that some things are going into the wrong direction :
> - Amazon integrated into search

I hope you can discuss this issue somewhere else.

> - bad hardware support for "certified" systems, while manpower goes
into supporting Google Nexus  (!! what for if even normal laptops are
not supported well)

That annoys me also.
We are using, contributing, advocating Linux distributions but we have
no clue what kinds of laptop is fully supported, even those with
Ubuntu brand.
I'm not aware of a well maintained hardware knowledge base for Linux or Ubuntu.
There is no graphical hardware listing still, newbies still need to
understand what is terminal and what is lspci/lsusb/...
I tried to help solving a bug of hardware issue but I didn't get very
active response.

> - manpower used to develop multiple desktop environments (GNOME 3,
Unity, none of it being perfect), while I know much more severe desktop
bugs that might be worth looking into

This problem somehow belongs to Red Hat I believe.
They develop GNOME Shell that make many people unhappy.
I don't think Ubuntu's decision to shipping a different DE is a problem.
The problem is that Unity seems quite buggy.
I use and contribute MATE, a GNOME 2 fork, now.

> - little given back to upstream (i.e. for GTK, there is one person
full-time working on it, and hes not employed by Canonical)

That guy probably works for Red Hat?
I'm not a fan of GTK3.
http://igurublog.wordpress.com/2012/11/05/gnome-et-al-rotting-in-threes/
For upstream contribution, I don't think Canonical actually developed
that many things different from upstream of GTK.
Are you a fan of Overlay scrolling? I'm not.

> - still (since 2006) no results in making third party software easier
to install and manage on all products of the Linux platform (see
https://wiki.linuxfoundation.org/en/Packaging)

Use Ubuntu Software Center if a third-party developer focus on Ubuntu.
For distribution agnostic packaging, there is an interesting research work:
http://www.pgbovine.net/cde.html

> I'm not really requesting any help, because for sure there is a way to somehow compile a newer mouse driver supporting my alps touchpad, to take a newer kernel improving fan control and run it with tweaked power options (I guess I'd somehow figure it out).
> But after installing Windows and having it almost running perfectly after 30 minutes (while I miss apt/yum package management), I have given up. Maybe I will have a look at Ubuntu/Linux in 1 year again, and I would be really happy if those things would be fixed, but I'm not that positive about it to be honest.

I do dual-boot on my MacBook now.
You may consider this option too.

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Title:
  Microsoft has a majority market share

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Bug description:
  Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC
  marketplace. This is a bug which Ubuntu and other projects are meant
  to fix. As the philosophy of the Ubuntu Project states, "Our work is
  driven by a belief that software should be free and accessible to
  all."

  "Ubuntu software is free. Always was, always will be. Free software gives everyone the freedom to use it however they want and share with whoever they like. This freedom has huge benefits. At one end of the spectrum it enables the Ubuntu community to grow and share its collective experience and expertise to continually improve all things Ubuntu. At the other, we are able to give access to essential software for those who couldn’t otherwise afford it – an advantage that’s keenly felt by individuals and organisations all over the world."
       * http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/our-philosophy

  Non-free software leaves users at the mercy of the software owner and
  concentrates control over the technology which powers our society into
  the hands of a few. Additionally, proprietary software stifles
  innovation, maintains artificial scarcities, and enables malicious
  anti-features such as DRM, surveillance, and other monopolistic
  practices.

  This bug is widely evident in the PC industry.

  Steps to repeat:

      1. Visit a local PC store.
      2. Attempt to buy a machine without any proprietary software.

  What happens:

  Almost always, a majority of PCs for sale have Microsoft Windows pre-
  installed. In the rare cases that they come with a GNU/Linux operating
  system or no operating system at all, the drivers and BIOS may be
  proprietary.

  What should happen:

  A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software.

       * http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
       * http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines
       * http://www.opensource.org/docs/osd

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