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[Nobuto Murata <nobuto@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

@Rolf,

> As you may know, I usually remain with the LTS releases and only run
the development release from time to time. As such, I hope the fix for
this ticket will be backported to trusty as well.

If this fix lands into vivid successfully and no regression reported in
vivid, we can consider to backport it to trusty as well. However I'm
under the impression that this Ryumin thing is not so critical.

> Furthermore, my system is mainly English-based. I hope you won't mind me adding my own experiences here.
> 
> I can basically confirm your findings, except that my US-locale returns a different font.
> 
> $ env LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 fc-match Ryumin
> ipamp.ttf: "IPAPMincho" "Regular"
> $ env LC_ALL=ja_JP.UTF-8 fc-match Ryumin
> fonts-japanese-gothic.ttf: "Takao Pゴシック" "Regular"

My patch fixes this behavior, the result for Ryumin will be always the
same in all locales.

> I tried the test PDF in different viewers and noticed there were some
alignment issues in the viewer built into Firefox (please refer to my
screenshot). I suspect that is another, separate issue?

Yes, that's separate issue in Mozilla's pdf.js I think. The PDF I
attached is rather complicated, I think it's natural rendering is broken
in some viewers.

> One of the things I sometimes notice is that Chinese at times seems to
have precedence over Japanese. For someone like me, that is unfortunate.
Are you aware of a list of known issues or some website to check if
one's configuration has any errors? This area of Ubuntu seems to change
from release to release so it is hard to keep up (with a lot of
improvement being made, at least that has been my experience). I do not
know as much as you do, so at best, I will notice the effects but I
would be utterly unable to dig into the causes. That's why your work is
so much appreciated.

> You titled the ticket " fc-match Ryumin should return Mincho(serif)
font in ja locale". That name is so obviously Japanese that I wonder why
the returned value should be locale-specific. From the superficial
information I have it seems that optimizations for Japanese are
sometimes only made only for Japanese locale, leaving people like me who
only display and write Japanese in a non-Japanese locale out in the
rain. I understand that sometimes this might have to do with political
sensitivities and the power of numbers.

Nowadays Ubuntu switches font substitutions by locales. For example, `fc-match serif` returns "DejaVu Serif" for most locales, "TakaoPMincho" for ja locale. You can specify per-user font locale settings(actually it's LC_CTYPE) in ~/.pam_environment or ~/.profile.
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EnvironmentVariables#Session-wide_environment_variables

Can you please put "LC_CTYPE=ja_JP.UTF-8" in your ~/.pam_environment,
re-login and see how it works?

** Also affects: ubuntu-translations
   Importance: Undecided
       Status: New

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https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1430339

Title:
  fc-match Ryumin should return Mincho(serif) font in ja locale

Status in Ubuntu Translations:
  New
Status in fonts-takao package in Ubuntu:
  Confirmed

Bug description:
  Ryumin and Gothic-BBB are generic font names for serif/sans-serif like
  Arial/Times new roman. fonts-takao-mincho has a rule[1] to offer
  substitute for Ryumin, however `fc-match Ryumin` does not return
  fonts-takao-mincho(serif), it returns fonts-takao-gothic(sans-serif)
  instead.

  Expected result:
  $ fc-match Ryumin
  fonts-japanese-mincho.ttf: "TakaoPMincho" "Regular"

  Actual result:
  $ fc-match Ryumin
  fonts-japanese-gothic.ttf: "Takao Pゴシック" "Regular"

  
  [1]
  /etc/fonts/conf.d/65-fonts-takao-mincho.conf
       21     <match target="pattern">
       22         <test qual="any" name="family">
       23             <string>Ryumin</string>
       24         </test>
       25         <edit name="family" mode="prepend">
       26             <string>Takao P明朝</string>
       27         </edit>
       28     </match>

  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 15.04
  Package: fonts-takao-mincho 003.02.01-9ubuntu2
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 3.19.0-7.7-generic 3.19.0
  Uname: Linux 3.19.0-7-generic x86_64
  ApportVersion: 2.16.2-0ubuntu1
  Architecture: amd64
  CurrentDesktop: Unity
  Date: Tue Mar 10 22:41:44 2015
  EcryptfsInUse: Yes
  InstallationDate: Installed on 2015-02-28 (9 days ago)
  InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 15.04 "Vivid Vervet" - Alpha amd64 (20150228)
  PackageArchitecture: all
  SourcePackage: fonts-takao
  UpgradeStatus: No upgrade log present (probably fresh install)

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