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[Peter-and-Crazybear <crazybear@xxxxxxxx>]

Hello. Thanks for the quick reply. Are you the 'gnome' behind Gnome? My 
responses between yours.....

On 11/10/14 17:01, Alberts Muktupāvels wrote:
> 1. gnome-session-fallback is build from gnome-panel source code that is why your computer is saying problem is with gnome-panel.
I figured something like that - but for the average user of Ubuntu, 
there is NO way to know this....
> 2. reinstalling gnome-session-fallback should not solve anything. It is transitional package and does not contain anyting. Problem is somewhere else. This package can be removed.
Surprising....both that is can be removed and that it always [100% of 
the time] will temporarily solve the problem for the next session only!
> 3. GNOME Fallback is now called GNOME Flashback.
I'll take a look in synaptic...again, such renamings are not known to 
the average user and create confusion. You who work with and build the 
programs know these things - but most do not - and have need to know [or 
not have names changed]. I don't understand why there are now two 
flavors of 'fallback'.
>
> Have you tried to re-select session from login screen? GNOME Flashback
> (Metacity) and/or GNOME Flashback (Compiz).
Yes, many times. The two both will not work. Other desktops seem to work 
- I just don't like them and it is fallback that has my years of 
personalization [most, not all of it, carried over from 12.04-14.04
>   Maybe there is some problems
> upgrading from 12.04 to 14.04.
Likely - and it is frustrating that while the system prompts for hitting 
the upgrade button [as if all will go well], Linux geeks always advise a 
'clean install'. I'd do a clean install if someone would tell me [or 
point to a url instructing how to QUICKLY [no more than a day's work] 
get back what I had before in: programs, basic look, and functionality. 
I have a package list, but once before [when upgrading into 12.04] tried 
to run that on a clean install, all I got was a */mess/*....no doubt 
because many of the packages are not supported by the new distribution 
and/or dependencies are not met or different, etc. I understand that 
theoretically, but not how to run it so that this doesn't cause 
problems. This upgrade otherwise seems to have gone OK [had to reinstall 
grub and fight with new AMD drivers - taking several days for me....but 
then I thought it was good to go and liked the new features....but...the 
problem is now persistent and I'm using 12.04 most of the time again.
>
> Are you using extra ppa? In tags there is gnome3-ppa.
I believe I have 3.10 - I have not tried to install 3.14. I thought 3.10 
was the basic one in 14.04 but I could be wrong. Again, such things are 
not explained nor told to the average user and endless research on the 
internet I do only as needed [which is often]. A weekly newsletter of 
changes, common problems etc. might be a good idea from the geeks and 
developers to the average user.
>   Not sure, but this
> might cause problems if there is installed newer GNOME components.
newer than what? What should I..and how can I 'downgrade' if too high now?
>
> Can you right click on desktop?  Is nautilus autostarted or you are
> getting completly empty screen.
I can't do ANYTHNG - no keyboard or mouse clicks do anything...though 
the mouse cursor moves. The folders and icons on the desktop are there - 
but NO panels [which have my launchers]. I can't get a terminal...so 
must push the button on the computer to turn off and back on....annoying 
and likely bad for the system too.
>
> Can you attach extra log file? I would like to see ~/.cache/upstart
> /gnome-session-Unity.log. After you fail to login, restart PC and then
> login in GNOME session (not in Unity), then attach asked file. Yes, I
> need gnome-session-Unity.log, don't ask why.
Hmmm.....I'm in 12.04 now and will send that in a few hours. sorry to 
not have noticed this request before starting. Don't worry, I won't ask 
why. ;-) Thanks again! gnome log coming soon. Just made a note..but must 
get some work done first. Peter
>

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https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1380095

Title:
  Gnome Fallback[s] don't work in 14.04. Work once ONLY if reinstalled

Status in “gnome-panel” package in Ubuntu:
  New

Bug description:
  While the computer is saying its a problem with gnome-panel, I keep
  re-installing gnome-session-fallback. It will work [in either flavor
  of fallback (no idea why there are now two!) ONE TIME - but the next
  time I get a screen with NO panels and NO keyboard shortcuts are
  recognized (so I can't even get a terminal). All I can do is hard
  shut-down of computer; restart into gnome or unity or some others
  (which I do NOT like to use!). I have done this MANY times now. It
  never stays 'done'. Am going back to my  copy ov 12.04 until someone
  can tell me why or how to make one of the fallbacks (hopefully both)
  work every time I sign in to 14.04. Thank you. Anyone else having
  similar problems? The only other thing I can think of is that I
  upgraded from 12.04 in which fallback operated just fine and was
  stable.

  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 14.04
  Package: gnome-session-fallback 1:3.8.0-1ubuntu12.1
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 3.13.0-36.63-generic 3.13.11.6
  Uname: Linux 3.13.0-36-generic x86_64
  NonfreeKernelModules: fglrx
  ApportVersion: 2.14.1-0ubuntu3.5
  Architecture: amd64
  CurrentDesktop: Unity
  Date: Sat Oct 11 15:50:02 2014
  GsettingsChanges:
   b'org.gnome.gnome-panel.run-dialog' b'show-program-list' b'true'
   b'org.gnome.gnome-panel.run-dialog' b'history' b'[\'gksu gedit /etc/apt/sources.list\', "OED.EXE \'/home/peter-and-crazybear/Wine/(OED)/Bin/oedcd_v3.exe\'", \'warrick/\', \'warrick.pl\', \'warrick/\', \'skype\', \'env PULSE_LATENCY_MSEC=60 skype \', \'/usr/bin/xsensors\', \'alacarte\', \'gconf-editor\', \'nautilus -q\', \'xkill\', \'warrick/\']'
  InstallationDate: Installed on 2013-12-02 (312 days ago)
  InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 12.04.3 LTS "Precise Pangolin" - Release amd64 (20130820.1)
  PackageArchitecture: all
  SourcePackage: gnome-panel
  UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to trusty on 2014-09-28 (13 days ago)

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