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[Calle Hedberg <calle.hedberg@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hi,

The system should ONLY consider absolute (real) opening and closing dates,
and should not accept any report for a reporting unit outside of this (what
we generally call its "validity period").

reporting units with irregular activities must be handled "manually" -
there are basically two options:

1. You exclude certain types of typically irregular operations from your
completeness analysis. Typical cases would be irregular mobile units.

2. You capture a null activity report for irregular ops when they are
inactive (e.g. enter a zero for the headcount data element or similar).
That null report will thus be part of your completeness rate.

Regards
Calle



On 1 April 2015 at 11:34, Jason Pickering <jason.p.pickering@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

> Yeah, I do not know really how complicated it would be to implement in
> DHIS2, but I do know we have performed this type of analysis in other
> places outside of DHIS2 with SQL and scripts. Basically, it would involve
> getting all of the opening and closed dates of the facilities, and then the
> completed data set registrations and performing a period by period type of
> analysis on the reporting rates, to provide a dynamic denominator (i.e.
> number of facilities which are supposed to report). However, in practice,
> what we saw was that the opening/closed dates were often not really that
> accurate, often leading to percentages over 100%, since the facility was
> supposedly closed, but still submitted a report.
>
> I think if it is that big of a problem (sounds bad), you should to
> consider to implement a custom report which would take this into account,
> but maybe the developers could comment on how difficult this would be to
> implement.
>
> Perhaps the bigger problem however is the focus on reporting compelteness,
> as opposed to what is actually in the data? :-/
>
> Regards,
> Jason
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Prosper BT <ptb3000@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Jason,
>>
>> I know its complicated and very difficult to implement but in traditional
>> national system focusing on reporting rates, it has come to point where
>> districts would rather not add an Orgunit and if closed would want it
>> deleted out of the systems or dataset removed.
>>
>> May be Analytics should consider Opening data and closing date, so that
>> new Orgunit are given a current opening date
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Jason Pickering <
>> jason.p.pickering@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> This is really a quite intricate problem, if it is going to be done
>>> right. The easy "fix" would be to ignore whether a facility contrinbutes to
>>> completeness rates if the opening and closed dates are not valid. In
>>> practice however, it is more complicated than that, because a facility may
>>> only report a data set for a few months, or be open only parts of the year
>>> (I have seen this in two countries now, where certain facilities are always
>>> closed during certain months, i.e. the Himalayan winter and tropical rainy
>>> season). So, how would we account for this? The opening and closed dates
>>> really have no meaning in this case, because it is only open sometimes, and
>>> thus, is not expected to submit a repo
>>>
>>> So, although it might fix the problem of adding new facilities and
>>> closing existing ones, I am not really so sure it would really solve the
>>> actual problem.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Jason
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Calle Hedberg <calle.hedberg@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Prosper,
>>>>
>>>> HISP-SA is working on a few related issues:
>>>> - Validity periods (open/closeddates) for orgunits used to ensure no
>>>> data entry for closed OUs, no validation rule violations for closed OUs,
>>>> closed OUs not included in OrgUnitGroup counts used in indicators.
>>>> - Validity periods for indicators
>>>> - Validity periods for validation rules.
>>>> See relevant blueprints
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure if your issue is different - can you specify what you mean
>>>> by "previous rates" in this context?
>>>>
>>>> regards
>>>> calle
>>>>
>>>> On 1 April 2015 at 10:46, Prosper BT <ptb3000@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Team,
>>>>>
>>>>> Am not sure is am behind the decision of taking care of the challenge
>>>>> most districts are experiencing.
>>>>>
>>>>> What has been the decision so far.
>>>>>
>>>>> Once a dataset is added to a facility, it affects the previous rates
>>>>> regardless of the opening data.
>>>>>
>>>>> Whats is the status of this issues
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Prosper Behumbiize, MPH
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>>>>>                      +256 752 751776
>>>>>
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>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Prosper Behumbiize, MPH
>> Phone:        +256 414 320076
>> Cell:             +256 772 139037
>>                      +256 752 751776
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Jason P. Pickering
> email: jason.p.pickering@xxxxxxxxx
> tel:+46764147049
>



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