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[Murod Latifov <mlatifov@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Abyot,

Very interesting, but it seems to me more of levels or categories of the
same dimention, not a multidimentionality. Combination of data elements and
categories are instances of the same dimention or levels of hierarchy as it
comes in data warehouse cube definition. Moreover its representation in
datavalue table (fact table) with two keys is ambigious. DHIS2 has the
following dimentions: data elements, periods and organisation units and
data could be analysed from different angles of these dimentions.

regards,
murod

On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Abyot Gizaw <abyota@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>
> On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 7:00 PM, Jason Pickering <
> jason.p.pickering@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> As far as I can see there is no difference other than a visual element of
>> presentation.
>>
>
> Yes with the example we mentioned there might not be a difference if we
> are only interested in the value. But I thought the two are different in
> the sense that those in the row are dataelements and those in the column
> are optioncombinations. I thought what we choose to be a dataelement and a
> dimension affects our subsequent data analysis including indicator
> definition. I remember encountering a case previously, but I couldn't
> remember it.
>
> The current model has no sense of hierarchy, but is merely the Cartesian
>> product of possible category options.
>>
>
> That is true. Currently we are using only the final product (or the last
> level in the hierarchy) which is the option combination. But the whole idea
> with the multidimensional is to kind of slice the aggregate figure from
> different perspectives and corresponding units. Given a total figure of
> 100, say for example those who have TB, how many of them are male, how many
> are female. Out of those who are male, how many of them fall under a
> particular age category, similarly for those who are female.....
>
> But we are not utilizing the full potential of *dimension *and *unit *conceptualization
> of the multidimensional. We only use the final optioncombination. I always
> think the possibility of allowing data collection and analysis at any
> category or option level - not only optioncombination. But a problem I have
> is, if we allow that it will really be a mess with lots of overlaps !
>
>
>> What you present here seems to me to be completely equivalent in DHIS2
>> unless I am misinterpreting the model, which is very possible.
>>
>
>
>> On Nov 8, 2011 7:17 PM, "Abyot Gizaw" <abyota@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
> Thank you Jason and Kamugunga!
>>>
>>> I just wanted to see how the multidimensional is used. Because there are
>>> some tricky cases where one can design a particular data collection form as
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *D*
>>>
>>> *E*
>>>
>>> *A*
>>>
>>> value
>>>
>>> value
>>>
>>> *B*
>>>
>>> value
>>>
>>> value
>>>
>>> *C*
>>>
>>> Value
>>>
>>> value
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> and others as
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *A*
>>>
>>> *B*
>>>
>>> *C*
>>>
>>> *D*
>>>
>>> value
>>>
>>> value
>>>
>>> value
>>>
>>> *E*
>>>
>>> value
>>>
>>> value
>>>
>>> value
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> so what I am interested to know is what are the merits and demerits
>>> between the two? Is this because the model (I mean the multidimensional
>>> design) is flexible or confusing one that that kept everything open?
>>>
>>> Thank you
>>> Abyot.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Kamugunga Adolphe <kaadol@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi
>>>> Can this help?
>>>>
>>>> *Diagnosis*
>>>>
>>>> *Under 5 years*
>>>>
>>>> *5 yrs and above*
>>>>
>>>> M
>>>>
>>>> F
>>>>
>>>> M
>>>>
>>>> F
>>>>
>>>>  Diarrhoea with Dehydration
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Diarrhoea bloody
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Diarrhoea Chronic
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Intestinal parasites
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Malaria confirmed simple
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Malaria confirmed simple, in pregnancy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Adolphe
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8 November 2011 14:38, Jason Pickering <jason.p.pickering@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Abyot,
>>>>> Not sure if I understand your question, but this is a very typical one
>>>>> for many HIV related data elements.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Male*
>>>>>
>>>>> *Female*
>>>>>
>>>>> *<1*
>>>>>
>>>>> value
>>>>>
>>>>> value
>>>>>
>>>>> *1-15*
>>>>>
>>>>> value
>>>>>
>>>>> value
>>>>>
>>>>> *15+*
>>>>>
>>>>> Value
>>>>>
>>>>> value
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> However, I am not sure what the difference between this is?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *<1*
>>>>>
>>>>> *1-15*
>>>>>
>>>>> *15+*
>>>>>
>>>>> *Male*
>>>>>
>>>>> value
>>>>>
>>>>> value
>>>>>
>>>>> value
>>>>>
>>>>> *Female*
>>>>>
>>>>> value
>>>>>
>>>>> value
>>>>>
>>>>> value
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Jason
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Abyot Gizaw <abyota@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can any one provide me an example, possibly from your implementation
>>>>>> experience, on the use of multidimensional dataelement where there exists a
>>>>>> possibility of using a "dataelement" as dataelement or dimension
>>>>>> (option-combination) for example as shown below?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *D*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *E*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *A*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> value
>>>>>>
>>>>>> value
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *B*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> value
>>>>>>
>>>>>> value
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *C*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Value
>>>>>>
>>>>>> value
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> or
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *A*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *B*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *C*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *D*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> value
>>>>>>
>>>>>> value
>>>>>>
>>>>>> value
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *E*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> value
>>>>>>
>>>>>> value
>>>>>>
>>>>>> value
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you
>>>>>> Abyot.
>>>>>>
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