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[Murod Latifov <mlatifov@xxxxxxxxx>]

I meant if there is 0 value indicator at some orgunit, its absence may
affect value of indicator for "all orgunits" in that hierarchy.

On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 7:08 PM, Ola Hodne Titlestad <olati@xxxxxxxxxx>wrote:

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> On 10 November 2011 14:57, Murod Latifov <mlatifov@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>> You are right Ola, it is mostly indicators' case with regards to average
>> values, not data elements and saving zero values in most cases is
>> inefficient.
>> murod
>>
>>
> Yes, and currently DHIS is not using "number of facilities that reported"
> as e.g. denominator in the indicator formulas, so as far as I can see, this
> doesn't really affect the indicator values either. Or how do you mean?
>
> We have discussed to the possibility of including a variable in indicator
> formulas that provides this number, and when we do, it might be more
> relevant to keep track of at least some of the '0's.
>
> Ola
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>> On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Ola Hodne Titlestad <olati@xxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
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>>> That's true Murod, but most of the data elements collected will have an
>>> aggregation operator "SUM" and never be averaged (in DHIS at least).
>>> Typically the average data elements such as population estimates are never
>>> '0', so this has never been an issue for data processing.
>>>
>>> When people have reacted to the ignoring of '0' values it has mostly
>>> been related to completeness issues. As Jason says the complete button can
>>> solve that problem.
>>> You can also define certain data elements (called compulsory) to be
>>> filled for a a dataset to be considered complete.
>>>
>>> Note that the default behaviour in DHIS is to ignore the '0's. If you
>>> want to save them, then you must set 'Store Zero Data Value' to "Yes"
>>> for each data element where you want this behaviour.
>>>
>>> Ola
>>> ---------
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>>> ----------------------------------
>>> Ola Hodne Titlestad (Mr)
>>> HISP
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>>> University of Oslo
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>>> On 10 November 2011 11:08, Murod Latifov <mlatifov@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Mark,
>>>>
>>>> Ignoring true zeros will affect average figure. e.g. division by number
>>>> of occurence will be wrong if you didn't save zero.
>>>>
>>>> regards,
>>>> murod
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 11:52 AM, Muhire Andrew <muhireandrew@xxxxxxxxx
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear Mark,
>>>>> Most people takes zero as a data, that is also the way i believe but
>>>>> in other side there are people who dont like zero`s to appear in their
>>>>> database in that case they dont store it in their data (durin the creation
>>>>> of data element ) . But you have to think also on this:  zero is different
>>>>> from blank fields(Because if you ignore zero, data quality for completeness
>>>>> of the data fields will be more complicated because here you see all filled
>>>>> fields and unfilled fields with percentage).So this means when you activate
>>>>> " dont store zero", the system will automatically ignore zero`s.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Note that : This can also depend on the data management protocols of
>>>>> the institution.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Muhire Andrew
>>>>> *
>>>>> *HMIS/Ministry of Health*
>>>>> *God is my provider.*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> *From:* Mark Spohr <mhspohr@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> *To:* dhis2-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 10, 2011 2:35 AM
>>>>> *Subject:* [Dhis2-users] DHIS zeros and saving data?
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> We just started data entry and things are going well and they like the
>>>>> data entry.
>>>>> I just have a few questions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Zeros:
>>>>> - All of the data items are set to "Don't store zeros".... what does
>>>>> that mean?
>>>>> When totaling, aggregating, averaging, etc.  will these data fields be
>>>>> counted as zeros?
>>>>>
>>>>> Related.. on data entry I have them skipping over zero fields leaving
>>>>> them blank... I assume this will be assumed to be a zero?
>>>>>
>>>>> Also,  there doesn't seem to be an explicit "SAVE FORM" but the data
>>>>> does appear to be saved (even though the User General Settings does NOT
>>>>> have the "Auto-save data entry form" box checked).  How does this work?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for this great software!
>>>>> --
>>>>> Mark Spohr, MD
>>>>>
>>>>>
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