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[Charl Wentzel <charl.wentzel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

We are the only actives.  The others joined to see what we are doing and
will comment when they feel the need.  That's fine by me.  At least we
know we're not completely alone.

Charl

On Fri, 2009-07-03 at 14:34 +0930, Ryan Macnish wrote:

> Good summary, we do need it to be nice and simple because alot of
> projects fail because they overestimate what they can do.
> 
> So i take it we 3 are the only actives left?
> 
> 
> ______________________________________________________________________
> Subject: RE: [Dubuntu-team] Hey guys
> From: charl.wentzel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> To: nisshh@xxxxxxxxxxx
> CC: jay.27182818@xxxxxxxxx; dubuntu-team@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 11:10:46 +0200
> 
> Hi Guys
> 
> Thanks!  (Good to hear from you again Jay!)  I think we all got caught
> up with other things.  At least there now 3 "excited" members.  I
> started having guilt feelings about this project.
> 
> I'll create a few threads for questions to be answered.  The idea is
> to have a separate thread for each question/issue so things don't get
> lost.  Just give me some time.
> 
> I'm both a bzr and git fan.  Since this is an Ubuntu project I think
> bzr woudl be the "right" choice.  Also Lauchpad allows hosting of bzr
> repositories so we don't have to do it ourselves.
> 
> I'll have to review the mailing list entries again to see where we
> left off.  But at this stage the most important thing is to keep it
> simple.  We should use as much of the existing tools that are
> available rather than trying to create too many things ourselves at
> this stage.  That could come later.  If I remember correctly we were
> talking about kicking off with a simple tool that uses apt packages
> but with a different database that allows you to build up an
> environment by picking packages relevant to what you want to achieve.
> It should be able to show to you what tools work well together and
> make suggestions based on the experience of advanced users that added
> there knowledge to the database.
> 
> So the whole trick here is creating a knowledge base with a tool that
> allows you to pull from that knowledge base.
> 
> Jay, do you agree?
> 
> Charl
> 
> On Thu, 2009-07-02 at 15:36 +0930, Ryan Macnish wrote:
> 
>         Hmm well i dont want to do all the website work by myself but
>         im happy to do some so what if we share it a bit Jay? like ill
>         do the actual website and maybe you can contribute actual
>         screenshots and documentation and maybe a few other things,
>         this way i dont have to do ALL of it but ill still be able to
>         do MOST of it. Just dont forget that i have studies too, so i
>         cant be on for 15 hours a day. Plus im also working on my own
>         lp project alot of the time.
>         
>         Once we get some solid work on the project happening then ill
>         begin making the website. Until then there is not much point.
>         I was thinking of putting the website up and having it ready
>         just before we make our first release.
>         
>         Hopefully we can get some of the big decisions down quickly so
>         that we can actually start building something productive here.
>         
>         so Charl im going to ask you to make a new post on the mailing
>         list, listing the questions that need answering and voting on.
>         also we should vinalize a logo and create a project in lp for
>         this and make the team the owner and driver. Next thing that
>         we should do is register a mainline branch for bzr and link it
>         to the trunk.
>         
>         I propose using bzr instead of svn or git, simply because bzr
>         is much easier to use and we can all contribute much more
>         easily then. Plus there is the advantage of bzr being
>         integrated with launchpad so we can have our own bug tracker,
>         blueprints, answers and translations.
>         
>         The one thing i dont want is for this project to go inactive,
>         because then this great idea will be lost.
>         
>         Think about it and get back to me.
>         
>         > Subject: Re: [Dubuntu-team] Hey guys
>         > From: jay.27182818@xxxxxxxxx
>         > To: nisshh@xxxxxxxxxxx
>         > CC: charl.wentzel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx;
>         dubuntu-team@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>         > Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 05:00:16 +0300
>         > 
>         > hi ryan.
>         > being a fan of mailing lists i mostly dislike forums -
>         there's often too
>         > much space around your text filled up with graphics, ads
>         etc. for cg
>         > related things (posting images, tutorials about graphic
>         packages etc.)
>         > forums are great but for development discussion mailing
>         lists cover all
>         > the needs. that's my point of view.
>         > 
>         > what about the website, i created the design prototype in
>         inkscape so if
>         > you like i can send you the .svg (if it's still alive).
>         currently i'm
>         > very busy with my job so if you're not against i will leave
>         all the
>         > web-related work to you;)
>         > 
>         > if i remember it correctly we stopped at the idea of having
>         a database
>         > that will contain information about packages and package
>         categories that
>         > we are gonna have in our distribution, and a package manager
>         that will
>         > use this database. i had some time to think about it and
>         came to this:
>         > 
>         > what if the database will contain a link to approp.
>         apt-repository for
>         > every package so that the package manager could use
>         something like dpkg
>         > to perform actual installation/removal. i mean the package
>         manager will
>         > read description of a package found in the db, extract url,
>         pull the
>         > package from it's repo and pass it to dpkg - just like we do
>         it when we
>         > manually download a single package and install it. this
>         approach we let
>         > us implement entire package management in a month or so. i'm
>         currently
>         > just overloaded with my job so i can't tell how much time i
>         will find
>         > for this project but i believe that even with little amount
>         of effort
>         > from everyone we will manage to make a release in a couple
>         of months.
>         > 
>         > regards,
>         > jay
>         > 
>         > On Tue, 2009-06-30 at 17:22 +0930, Ryan Macnish wrote:
>         > > Hey,
>         > > 
>         > > thanks for the quick reply. Im definitely not saying that
>         we shouldnt
>         > > use our mailing list i use them all the time and they are
>         great. But i
>         > > simply think that a forum would be better since we are
>         trying to
>         > > discuss something here in high detail and it can be
>         difficult to do
>         > > that when there more than 3-4 people discussing it.
>         > > 
>         > > Im just suggesting that we brainstorm and advertise using
>         the forum
>         > > and then simply use the mailing list for shorter messages,
>         rather than
>         > > big discussions. Im not saying we have to, im just saying
>         it may be a
>         > > good idea based off of my own experience with these
>         things. Im also
>         > > trying to generarate some discussion.
>         > > 
>         > > Also in my last post i forgot to mention that i support
>         the gtk+python
>         > > method of doing this. Python is sooo much easier to learn
>         than C++ and
>         > > there is already a bunch of python bindings for gtk2+ in
>         the ubuntu
>         > > repos called pygtk.
>         > 
>         > 
>         
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