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[Cassidy James <c@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hey guys,

I figure we should update this since the contributor meeting. There it felt
like the way forward was to fix the couple of bugs and keep it around for
Luna. I guess the GNOME one doesn't support transitions if Nautilus doesn't
draw the wallpaper or something crazy like that.

Can anyone with some more knowledge in the matter chime in? :P

Regards,
Cassidy James

Sent from my spaceship.
On Apr 4, 2012 5:13 PM, "Avi Romanoff" <avi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Big +1 from me.
>
> It's basically an abandoned project (and has been for months), and some
> core integration features are still missing, to say nothing of the fact
> that it's riddled with serious bugs.
>
> Avi
>
> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 11:37 PM, Cassidy James <c@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> At first I was pretty against this... ("All that work down the drain!")
>> But it seems the best option for Luna. Its original purpose is no longer
>> relevant, and it's not needed for Luna.
>>
>> As far as post-Luna is concerned, I'm definitely interested in using
>> Pantheon Wallpaper and other customer Pantheon solutions to supplant the
>> GNOME counterparts if they're genuinely better. However it's also important
>> to not let pride get in our way; GNOME has been doing this longer than us
>> and is doing some awesome things with GNOME 3 compared to the legacy GNOME
>> 2 that we were used to when we started with Pantheon.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Cassidy James
>> On Mar 29, 2012 10:13 PM, "Victor Eduardo" <victoreduardm@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I agree. *pantheon-wallpaper* is still not ready for Luna. All the
>>> planned cool features supporting the effort are yet to be implemented and
>>> since GNOME doesn't depend on Nautilus to render the wallpaper anymore, it
>>> would be a clever move to just use that. Pantheon is just a shell, while
>>> GNOME is a desktop environment and we depend on it anyway.* *Plus eOS
>>> will be super lightweight without it.*
>>> *
>>> I don't know if dropping the project is a good idea, but we definitely
>>> don't want pantheon-wallpaper to be shipped in Luna in its current state.
>>>
>>> Also, the most popular applications (Shotwell, etc.) are designed for
>>> use in the GNOME platform, and we want the OS to be compatible with the
>>> current spec. The new desktop-agnostic implementation should be introduced
>>> after Luna.
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 8:04 AM, Сергей <shnatsel@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello everybody,
>>>>
>>>> it's hard to admit it, but pantheon-wallpaper probably won't make it
>>>> for Luna. It has dreadful bugs like
>>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/pantheon-wallpaper/+bug/814948 or
>>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/pantheon-wallpaper/+bug/886633 and no
>>>> active maintainer.
>>>>
>>>> Moreover, I think it's no longer relevant. It was started back when
>>>> Nautilus was drawing wallpaper. Nowadays GNOME wallpaper is drawn by
>>>> gnome-settings-daemon, so the advantage of being standalone is no
>>>> longer relevant. Pantheon-wallpaper uses Cairo for rendering and
>>>> therefore its transitions are smoother, but I've compared them on a
>>>> laptop back from 2005 and I can't say pantheon-wallpaper is *much*
>>>> smoother. In addition, GNOME implementation supports interfaces about
>>>> which we haven't even dreamed about yet, e.g. libvte
>>>> semi-transparency, Ubuntu lock screen, etc, and its way of storing
>>>> configs is already widely supported.
>>>>
>>>> Smooth transitions are a job of GPU drivers. Client-side workarounds
>>>> for that are not a good idea. GDK pixbuf which is [probably] used by
>>>> gnome-settings-daemon is more likely to get performance improvements
>>>> from GPU drivers than Cairo. Latest Intel drivers boost its
>>>> performance many times compared to previous versions, while Cairo
>>>> performance is largely unchanged.
>>>>
>>>> Maintaining a custom solution for the sake of improvement
>>>> opportunities doesn't make much sense either. Most features like
>>>> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/pantheon-wallpaper/+spec/focus-blur
>>>> should be implemented as standalone daemons telling the wallpaper what
>>>> to do, not inside wallpaper service to bloat it with potentially
>>>> unused features.
>>>> And it's very unlikely that we'll drop gnome-settings-daemon in the
>>>> foreseeable future, so the original problem which led to creation of
>>>> pantheon-wallpaper is extremely unlikely to reappear.
>>>>
>>>> Given all of the above, I propose dropping pantheon-wallpaper
>>>> completely. It's not worth the effort.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff
>>>>
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