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["Mario Guerriero" <mefrio.g@xxxxxxxxx>]

Switch to another language would be an incredible waste of time, also after Luna. We only have to make a script that automates the build process with elementary Vala apps.


Anyway Go looks very promitting but it's too early to judge it, I think.
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On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 8:12 PM, Craig <weberc2@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> At this point the discussion is about Granite and the elementary HIG, which
> seems like an appropriate topic for the elementary dev list.
> On Apr 8, 2013 12:52 PM, "xapantu" <xapantu@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>  Just see /usr/include/granite/granite.h if you want to use granite with
>> C. Just do the translations from vala code to C code, i.e. for new
>> Granite.Widgets.ModeButton, it is granite_widgets_mode_button_new.
>>
>> However, as Jaap said it, I am not sure this is the  place to discuss
>> about go and Vala, especially when Luna is not released yet and that we
>> will NOT change any language in our apps before Luna.
>>
>> Lucas
>>
>> On 08/04/2013 18:02, Craig wrote:
>>
>> Many languages support binding to C (probably more common than GObject
>> introspection), so if it works with C, other high level OOP languages can
>> bind to it without needing support for GObject introspection. :-)
>> On Apr 8, 2013 10:58 AM, "Nishant Agrwal" <nishantagrwal12993@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Granite is written in Vala, so I guess any gObject Introspection capable
>>> language should be very easy to use, especially those with dynamic binding,
>>> like Python. As far as C goes, Vala compiles to C anyway so that should be
>>> pretty easy as well, although I don't think most people would like to use C
>>> instead of a high level OOP language.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 9:24 PM, Craig <weberc2@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>> That brings me to a question I've had for a while--I'm not sure what goes
>>> into creating a C binding for any language, but is it possible to create a
>>> C binding to granite? If so, your proposal would be limited only by the
>>> availability of granite bindings. On the other hand, though I think
>>> Elementary development has a substantial barrier of entry, I don't know
>>> Elementary's goals of simplicity and consistency would be especially
>>> well-served by fragmenting the tools used. On the *other* other hand, it
>>> could also bring a lot of developer attention to the project, albeit
>>> Elementary's relatively small community, I think it would be difficult to
>>> find enough people to create and maintain bindings for all of those
>>> languages. Thoughts?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 10:38 AM, Jakob Eriksson <jakob@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think there should be a tutorial for writing an Elementary HID
>>>> compliant app in all popular languages,  Java, Python, C++, Go, Objective C
>>>> and Ruby at least.
>>>>
>>>> Craig <weberc2@xxxxxxxxx> skrev:
>>>>
>>>> >@Chris, Syntactically, I think Vala is a great language. I'm dying to
>>>> use
>>>> >it, in fact! However, until I can get over the nasty project-management
>>>> >hump, I'm afraid I'm out of the loop. And don't think project management
>>>> >features are useful only to building and distribution. How can an IDE
>>>> know
>>>> >which symbols are available outside of the current file (for purposes
>>>> such
>>>> >as code verification, autocompletion, etc) without knowing something
>>>> about
>>>> >what files are available to the project? Decent project management
>>>> features
>>>> >are an important aspect of a language (for all kinds of purposes), and
>>>> when
>>>> >they are missing, non-standard, or overly complex; it makes the language
>>>> >impractical.
>>>> >
>>>> >@Sergey, I'm not confusing the two. As I mentioned in my response to
>>>> Chris,
>>>> >the two issues are linked--it's impractical to develop an application
>>>> >without a simple, automatic project metadata management tool and Vala
>>>> >doesn't seem to have one (I can't find _any_ information about bake
>>>> online).
>>>> >
>>>> >To address your last paragraph, I don't know what the crux of the issue
>>>> is
>>>> >(nor what the best solution is), but useful programs haven't been single
>>>> >files for decades; it's archaic to treat the project management
>>>> concerns of
>>>> >development as an afterthought when developing languages. Like you said,
>>>> >why expose the developer to that unnecessary complexity? I have yet to
>>>> find
>>>> >a better paradigm than Go's for mitigating that concern.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Ryan Macnish <nisshh.ubuntu@xxxxxxxxx
>>>> >wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> Go is brilliant, it has the best parts of c and the best parts of
>>>> modern
>>>> >> languages built in.
>>>> >> On Apr 8, 2013 9:22 PM, "Craig" <weberc2@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> Happy Monday everyone,
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I wrote a brief comparison of Vala and Go (golang) that might be of
>>>> >>> interest to some of you. Feel free to add your thoughts in the
>>>> comments.
>>>> >>> http://craigmatthewweber.com/2013/04/06/vala-or-go/
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Enjoy,
>>>> >>> Craig
>>>> >>>
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