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[Craig <weberc2@xxxxxxxxx>]

At this point the discussion is about Granite and the elementary HIG, which
seems like an appropriate topic for the elementary dev list.
On Apr 8, 2013 12:52 PM, "xapantu" <xapantu@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>  Just see /usr/include/granite/granite.h if you want to use granite with
> C. Just do the translations from vala code to C code, i.e. for new
> Granite.Widgets.ModeButton, it is granite_widgets_mode_button_new.
>
> However, as Jaap said it, I am not sure this is the  place to discuss
> about go and Vala, especially when Luna is not released yet and that we
> will NOT change any language in our apps before Luna.
>
> Lucas
>
> On 08/04/2013 18:02, Craig wrote:
>
> Many languages support binding to C (probably more common than GObject
> introspection), so if it works with C, other high level OOP languages can
> bind to it without needing support for GObject introspection. :-)
> On Apr 8, 2013 10:58 AM, "Nishant Agrwal" <nishantagrwal12993@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>> Granite is written in Vala, so I guess any gObject Introspection capable
>> language should be very easy to use, especially those with dynamic binding,
>> like Python. As far as C goes, Vala compiles to C anyway so that should be
>> pretty easy as well, although I don't think most people would like to use C
>> instead of a high level OOP language.
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 9:24 PM, Craig <weberc2@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> That brings me to a question I've had for a while--I'm not sure what goes
>> into creating a C binding for any language, but is it possible to create a
>> C binding to granite? If so, your proposal would be limited only by the
>> availability of granite bindings. On the other hand, though I think
>> Elementary development has a substantial barrier of entry, I don't know
>> Elementary's goals of simplicity and consistency would be especially
>> well-served by fragmenting the tools used. On the *other* other hand, it
>> could also bring a lot of developer attention to the project, albeit
>> Elementary's relatively small community, I think it would be difficult to
>> find enough people to create and maintain bindings for all of those
>> languages. Thoughts?
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 10:38 AM, Jakob Eriksson <jakob@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>
>>> I think there should be a tutorial for writing an Elementary HID
>>> compliant app in all popular languages,  Java, Python, C++, Go, Objective C
>>> and Ruby at least.
>>>
>>> Craig <weberc2@xxxxxxxxx> skrev:
>>>
>>> >@Chris, Syntactically, I think Vala is a great language. I'm dying to
>>> use
>>> >it, in fact! However, until I can get over the nasty project-management
>>> >hump, I'm afraid I'm out of the loop. And don't think project management
>>> >features are useful only to building and distribution. How can an IDE
>>> know
>>> >which symbols are available outside of the current file (for purposes
>>> such
>>> >as code verification, autocompletion, etc) without knowing something
>>> about
>>> >what files are available to the project? Decent project management
>>> features
>>> >are an important aspect of a language (for all kinds of purposes), and
>>> when
>>> >they are missing, non-standard, or overly complex; it makes the language
>>> >impractical.
>>> >
>>> >@Sergey, I'm not confusing the two. As I mentioned in my response to
>>> Chris,
>>> >the two issues are linked--it's impractical to develop an application
>>> >without a simple, automatic project metadata management tool and Vala
>>> >doesn't seem to have one (I can't find _any_ information about bake
>>> online).
>>> >
>>> >To address your last paragraph, I don't know what the crux of the issue
>>> is
>>> >(nor what the best solution is), but useful programs haven't been single
>>> >files for decades; it's archaic to treat the project management
>>> concerns of
>>> >development as an afterthought when developing languages. Like you said,
>>> >why expose the developer to that unnecessary complexity? I have yet to
>>> find
>>> >a better paradigm than Go's for mitigating that concern.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Ryan Macnish <nisshh.ubuntu@xxxxxxxxx
>>> >wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Go is brilliant, it has the best parts of c and the best parts of
>>> modern
>>> >> languages built in.
>>> >> On Apr 8, 2013 9:22 PM, "Craig" <weberc2@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> Happy Monday everyone,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I wrote a brief comparison of Vala and Go (golang) that might be of
>>> >>> interest to some of you. Feel free to add your thoughts in the
>>> comments.
>>> >>> http://craigmatthewweber.com/2013/04/06/vala-or-go/
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Enjoy,
>>> >>> Craig
>>> >>>
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