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[Manish Sinha <manishsinha@xxxxxxxxxx>]

I do get the gist of what Cody is saying.

It's basically that the PPA ecosystem has so much potential and use
that any other shortcomings of Ubuntu at the moment is negated just by
the PPA ecosystem which makes delivering software to end users a
breeze.

Personally I would like that elementary is based on debian unstable or
testing (if unstable is too unstable), but the PPA ecosystem is just
too damn attractive.

-
Manish


On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 10:03 PM, Conscious User <conscioususer@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Erm... I'm not sure how to answer this. None of
> your replies seem to be relevant or even directly
> related to what I said.
>
>
> Em Seg, 2013-07-08 às 23:27 -0500, Cody Garver escreveu:
>> If anyone is an opponent of GNOME tech right now it's proprietary
>> video driver developers. Those are concrete issues that affect any
>> non-Intel GPU user. I haven't seen any hostility from Ubuntu.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 11:22 PM, Cody Garver <cody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>         My sentence ran out of fuel there. PPAs are immensely valuable
>>         and eclipse any popular sentiment right now.
>>
>>
>>         On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 11:16 PM, Cody Garver
>>         <cody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>                 PPAs.
>>
>>
>>                 On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 11:12 PM, Conscious User
>>                 <conscioususer@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>                         Hi all,
>>
>>                         Some time ago, I have noticed that an app I'm
>>                         developing had
>>                         some rendering issues only when the Ubuntu
>>                         overlay scrollbars
>>                         were being used. When I took this to Ubuntu
>>                         developers, I was
>>                         told that my best chance was to patch the
>>                         scrollbars myself
>>                         because no one was currently working on them.
>>
>>                         This is a symptom of something that, for
>>                         anyone who's been
>>                         following the Ubuntu developer community,
>>                         should be quite
>>                         evident at this point: due to the move to QML
>>                         and touch, GTK
>>                         and the rest of the stack Ubuntu had been
>>                         using will now be
>>                         second-class citizens, and it is only a matter
>>                         of time before
>>                         this change of status starts to gradually
>>                         creep into overall
>>                         stability and speed of fixing bugs.
>>
>>                         This wouldn't be much of a problem if Ubuntu
>>                         simply packaged
>>                         and shipped a vanilla GNOME stack, but the
>>                         problem is that
>>                         they ship a patched stack mixed with
>>                         unpolished Ayatana
>>                         projects which might now never get any more
>>                         polish. And this
>>                         might get worse with the move to Mir, as
>>                         Canonical will probably
>>                         need to add and maintain Mir support to GTK by
>>                         itself.
>>
>>                         My intention here is not to question any
>>                         direction Canonical
>>                         is taking, but to question how much it still
>>                         makes sense to
>>                         build elementary on top of Ubuntu instead of a
>>                         distro that
>>                         uses a more vanilla GNOME stack or at least
>>                         one that still
>>                         treats it as a first-class citizen.
>>
>>                         It might be a good time to have a serious
>>                         discussion on this.
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
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>>
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>>
>>
>>
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