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[Paul van Tilburg <paul@xxxxxxxx>]

On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 03:10:35PM +0000, David McLeod wrote:
> Brain dumps are good, until it comes time to summarizing it and taking
> actions from it :p...

Yes, of course.  But some things need to crystalise a bit first.

> On 21 Feb 2010, at 19:22, Paul van Tilburg wrote:
> > On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 05:18:07PM +0000, David Mcleod wrote:
> >> - Heavy reliance on API's or crappy RSS Feeds
> > 
> > I agree with you on this.  However, a lot of sites trust that this is
> > the way users in general want to gather this stuff.  And we are not
> > going to be able to change this fact by per principle not replying on
> > feeds and/or APIs.
> 
> True, what I was getting at though is, I still see real problems in
> people waiting for a group / devs to find and make content accessible
> on their TV.  (A plugin in Moovida or a new channel in the Miro guide
> all require someone to 'put' it on their through code).
> 
> I've witnessed friends hooking up their laptops to a TV screen,
> loading up a video from MegaVideo and hitting the fullscreen button.

Ok, so still this stuff is on the web.  So maybe the plugin that scans
soms site for content, could also just try to find some media thing,
some <object/> or RSS feed.  I mean, in the end people have to put there
stuff somewhere to get it online.  I don't think we'll succeed in
setting up yet another general p2p system to share, but maybe an ad-hoc
one (see Philippe and Frank's mirabau project).

> You can easily capture a YouTube video, Dailymotion video even a Hulu
> video by using their embed tags and you don't need or shouldnt need a
> full fledged plugin to do something similar on your TV.

Right.

> These things are well outside a normal API.

But, if you want things such as: related videos, all videos in the
channel, etc. you do need the API.  The context is often not revealed
on webpages in a way that automated systems can understand it.

> I think I will probably need to do some sketches or mockups to
> describe exactly what or how I see people getting at content that
> arent a plugin inside the application.  [...]

Yay! Mockups! PLease do :)
I see what you are getting at and I agree it is possible and useful.

> What is great about it though is, you can add stuff they dont have in
> the Miro Guide. 
> 
> That guide is the official stuff but you can add torrents, torrent
> feeds, RSS feeds and more that isn't there. 

Yes, we really should have something similar eventually.

> >> - Media scanning needs to be better or equal to XBMC/Boxee (people
> >>  complain about it being bad there though as well)
> > 
> > I'll have to test the new media scanner branch to see where we stand now.
> 
> Is or was this worked on by Fernando and Guillame?  It was planned out
> well from what I saw but required a good few months of solid straight
> work to get it up and running properly.

Yes, and the branch is available on launchpad. 
I have played with it just a bit, cannot see anything useful about it.
But there is already another thread about this. :)

> >> - There are vital missing parts to Pigment to do some basic UI stuff
> >>  (scrolling text)
> > 
> > I almost don't dare to suggest this, but since there will also not be
> > much development on Pigment anymore (please correct me if I am mistaken),
> > we might want to consider alternative.
>
> Its a big discussion. Elisa/Moovida is deeply tied into Pigment.

I have some opinions on the matter.  Someone explained the historical
reasons to me, that helped me to understand it better.
However, I am gonna keep them to myself, I don't feel qualified nor
authorative to juge on this matter.

> I'm all for doing some new or different things that arent being done
> elsewhere like that.
> Still want the basics solid first of course!  :) ...then venture into
> fun things.

Yes, we probably should order our goals and principles. :)
I think we all agree on that the basics need to be right first.

Paul

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