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[Lukasz Oles <loles@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Igor,

On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 8:58 AM, Igor Kalnitsky <ikalnitsky@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
>
> In Fuel we need authentication only for Nailgun and we don't need it
> for other parts of Fuel, right?


Actually no. Currently nailgun and ostf are using keystone for
authentication/authorization.
In next release we will introduce Plugin Manager which will be separate
service. It will also require
keystone.
So for now I know about 3 services.
Some advanced plugins with their own API will also require keystone.
Currently we are also working[1] on testing Fuel on large scale and we may
use Rally[2] for this. Rally requires keystone.
It uses it to discover nailgun service.
In future we may add to fuelclient  OSTF and Plugin support and we also
will use keystone as service/endpoint discovery tool. Anyone can use it
this way, as in OpenStack.
Also if someone comes to us from OpenStack world  he already knows what to
do. After all we are building OpenStack installation tool here.

If this doesn't convince you I don't know what can :)


>  For example, if we will decide
> to use Keystone v3 the only thing we will have to do is to change only
> Nailgun, not all clients.
>
Actually keystone here is better than nailgun here  because it can support
many API versions. Do you now, that you are proposing to introduce backward
incompatible change?

Why do you need this in the first place? If you want to know when user is
using UI you can do it by adding special header in JavaScript client. You
can easly detect when user started and stopped using UI. You can do the
same with fuelclient.
I don't see any reason to make such change.

[1] https://review.openstack.org/#/c/119400/
[2] https://github.com/stackforge/rally

Regards,

> We are currently fixing some small issues with our implementation[1]
>
> Thank you for the link! I'll take a look.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Igor
>
> On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 12:48 AM, Lukasz Oles <loles@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Hi Igor,
> >
> > When we were designing this future (access control for Fuel) there was a
> > discussion about this. We decided to follow OpenStack approach where you
> > authenticate using keystone and then use only token to talk  with
> services.
> > If you are using fuelclient or UI it's hidden from you as in OpenStack.
> >
> > We are currently fixing some small issues with our implementation[1].
> Please
> > read the spec. You may suggest some changes which will help you with
> > statistics. Maybe cookies will help?  Vitaly can comment on it. Changing
> > nailgun API for me is the worst solution.
> >
> > [1] https://review.openstack.org/#/c/118284/
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 9:28 PM, Igor Kalnitsky <ikalnitsky@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Lukasz,
> >>
> >> Thank you for the input. Actually I agree with you, but still I think
> >> there's something wrong with our current approach.
> >>
> >> I don't like that we work with keystone directly from UI and Fuel CLI.
> >> I believe there should be a Nailgun API for authenticating users. In
> >> deep of Nail Gun we can use Keystone for authenticating users and
> >> validating tokens, but not vice-versa.
> >>
> >> I mean there's something wrong if we don't provide authentication
> >> abstraction and use keystone directly in both server and client sides
> >> (Nailgun, CLI, UI, Upgrade Script, etc).
> >>
> >> What do you think about it?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Igor
> >>
> >> On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 8:07 PM, Lukasz Oles <loles@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >> > Guys,
> >> >
> >> > there is no "logout issue". This is REST API. It is stateless.
> >> > There is no such thing like login or logout in REST API. You can only
> >> > get
> >> > authentication token. This token is only valid for a while. After some
> >> > time
> >> > it will be outdated and you need to get new one. It doesn't mean that
> >> > user
> >> > login and logout every time, it only means that token is not valid
> >> > anymore
> >> > and you need new one.
> >> >
> >> > In 6.0 token will be valid for 24h, so when you will see new token it
> >> > means
> >> > user started using API again. That's all. You can easily calculate
> when
> >> > user
> >> > started using API and when he ended. You don't need to add login/logut
> >> > handlers. It's broken. REST API doesn't work this way.
> >> >
> >> > If we need add new handlers to API because of collecting data it means
> >> > you
> >> > are doing something wrong.  Your code should't change anything in API
> >> > workflow.
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Igor Kalnitsky
> >> > <ikalnitsky@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Hi folks,
> >> >>
> >> >> Today I took a look over "logout issue" [1] and figured out that we
> >> >> cannot implement it with current approach.
> >> >>
> >> >> In current approach both login and logout actions are handled by Web
> >> >> UI with direct requests to Keystone server [2].
> >> >>
> >> >> As far as I know, we want to track login/logout actions as a part of
> >> >> anonymous statistic [3], so we need to decide how to avoid this issue
> >> >> and make it fly.
> >> >>
> >> >> I think we need to implement login/logout handlers as a part of
> >> >> Nailgun API. A login handler should receive user credentials and make
> >> >> request to Keystone server in order to retrieve an auth token. A
> >> >> logout handler should mark the token as invalid and forbid any
> actions
> >> >> with this token.
> >> >>
> >> >> Fuel Web UI should work with login/logout handlers which are part of
> >> >> Nailgun, instead of working with Keystone directly.
> >> >>
> >> >> What do you think about it? Any ideas and suggestions are welcome!
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> [1]: https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1370964
> >> >> [2]:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> https://github.com/stackforge/fuel-web/blob/master/nailgun/static/js/app.js#L70
> >> >> [3]: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/send-anon-usage
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> - Igor
> >> >>
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> >> > Łukasz Oleś
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Łukasz Oleś
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