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["Danilo Uccelli" <danucc@...>]

2006/4/8, wmb314 <wmb@...>:
>
>
> > > I found [the proposal to have a keyboard shortcut for drag]
> interesting, but I prefer to use 'D' and 'd' key instead of
> > tab. ...
>
> > That would be more mnemonic, but I don't know how is perceived in
> the other
> > languages.
>
> The reason I chose Tab was because the key is easy to find. The
> function is so important that it deserves a key that can be reached
> with very little searching. It defeats the purpose if you have to
> look carefully at the keyboard.
>
> "Space" would be even better, but it is already used. However, the
> function that "space" is bound to is much less frequently used than
> "drag", so if it were up to me, I would move the "zero offset"
> function to either 'o' or '0' (zero) and put the Move/Drag toggle on
> space. Actually, if it were up to me I would make "drag" the default.
>
> But it is not up to me, so I can only propose and explain my thinking.

For me : drag by default, "M" for move and "Del" for delete would be good.

> The best solution would be to have this kind of shortcuts in a
> configuration
> > file...
>
> I disagree. If you make the UI too configurable, then the product
> becomes very difficult to support and only expert users will be able
> to use it. Standardization is a good thing, so long as the standard
> is well thought out.


You are probably right, personally I don't like the software which implement
commands different on different languages, even if my primary language is
French, I prefer English mnemonics for the portability. We do not forget
that if we don't remember the shortcut , the menus are always available.

>
> > I propose, as an other improvement, to use Del key for Delete block, by
> > adding this case on the same switch instruction, in this particular case
> > there is no language problems.
> >
> > *case* WXK_DELETE : *// Switch to delete mode*
> > m_CurrentScreen->m_O_Curseur =
> m_CurrentScreen->m_Curseur;
>
> I tried this patch and it works well. I changed the comment to
> "// Delete the block", because "delete" is an atomic command, not
> a mode that affects later operations.
>
> Yes, you are right for the comment.

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Danilo Uccelli
CH-2400 Le Locle
danucc@...
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2006/4/8, wmb314 &lt;<a href="mailto:wmb@...";>wmb@...</a>&gt;:<div><span class="gmail_quote"></span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>&gt; &gt; I found [the proposal to have a keyboard shortcut for drag]<br>interesting, but I prefer to use 'D' and 'd' key instead of<br>&gt; tab. ...<br><br>&gt; That would be more mnemonic, but I don't know how is perceived in
<br>the other<br>&gt; languages.<br><br>The reason I chose Tab was because the key is easy to find.&nbsp;&nbsp;The<br>function is so important that itdeserves a key that can be reached<br>with very little searching.&nbsp;&nbsp;It defeats the purpose if you have to
<br>look carefully at the keyboard.<br><br>&quot;Space&quot; would be even better, but it is already used.&nbsp;&nbsp;However, the<br>function that &quot;space&quot; is bound to is much less frequently used than<br>&quot;drag&quot;, so if it were up to me, I would move the &quot;zero offset&quot;
<br>function to either 'o' or '0' (zero) and put the Move/Drag toggle on<br>space.&nbsp;&nbsp;Actually, if it were up to me I would make &quot;drag&quot; the default.<br><br>But it is not up to me, so I can only propose and explain my thinking.
</blockquote><div><br>
For me : drag by default, &quot;M&quot; for move and &quot;Del&quot; for delete would be good. <br>
</div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solidrgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">&gt; The best solution would be to have this kind of shortcuts in a<br>configuration
<br>&gt; file...<br><br>I disagree.&nbsp;&nbsp;If you make the UI too configurable, then the product<br>becomes very difficult to support and only expert users will be able<br>to use it.&nbsp;&nbsp;Standardization is a good thing, so long as the standard
<br>is well thought out.</blockquote><div><br>
You are probably right, personally I don't like the software which
implement commands different on&nbsp; different languages, even if my
primary language is French, I prefer English mnemonics for the
portability. We do not forget&nbsp; that if we don't remember the
shortcut , the menus are always available. <br>
</div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solidrgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">&gt;<br>&gt; I propose, as an other improvement, to use Del key for Delete block, by
<br>&gt; adding this case on the same switch instruction, in this particular case<br>&gt; there is no language problems.<br>&gt;<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
*case* WXK_DELETE :&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;*// Switch to delete mode*<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
m_CurrentScreen-&gt;m_O_Curseur = m_CurrentScreen-&gt;m_Curseur;<br><br>Itried this patch and it works well.&nbsp;&nbsp;I changed the comment to<br>&quot;// Delete the block&quot;, because &quot;delete&quot; is an atomic command, not
<br>a mode that affects later operations.<br><br></blockquote></div>Yes, you are right for the comment.<br>
<br>-- <br>Danilo Uccelli<br>CH-2400 Le Locle<br><a href="mailto:danucc@xxxxxxxxx";>danucc@...</a>
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