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[Fabrizio Tappero <fabrizio.tappero@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Joel,
Great e-mail. I personally would support the git move.

Regards
Fabrizio
 On 01/02/2014 1:48 PM, "Joel Holdsworth" <joel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Hi Guys,
>
> I'm new to this project - though not to open source in general. I'm the
> author of PulseView - a GUI for logic analyzers and oscilloscopes; part
> of the sigrok project.
>
> I've been trying to get started making contributions to your project,
> building from source, fixing problems etc. and I feel like I've
> encountered an unusually large number of hurdles to me a would-be casual
> contributor.
>
> I'll just mention one of them in this message, and that is the project's
> usage of Bazaar. I understand some discussion has already taken place
> about this, and the project authors wish to stay with Bazaar - and I
> respect that decision. As a project author myself, I agree with the
> principle that the authors can do whatever they damn well like.
>
> But...
>
> Here's the thing: I really think it's the wrong call.
>
> Though I'm not at all happy to say it, Bazaar is dead. You can see that
> clearly here: www.ohloh.net/p/bazaar - bazaar has not had a single
> commit in 3 months. In that time Git has had literally hundreds. Or try
> reading this blog post from a former developer:
> http://stationary-traveller.eu/pages/bzr-a-retrospective.html
>
> But Bazaar is still usable - it still works - right? Of course this is
> true, one can still get work done with it, and will be able to for some
> time to come. But at this point - in my opinion - it's a dead horse.
>
> Rightly or wrongly, Bazaar has lost the mindshare battle, and now very
> few developers have any familiarity with it at all. Whereas with a Git
> project, I can grab the code, make a local branch, start hacking, make
> some commits, tidy them up with rebase, shove them up on a github
> account (that I already have ready to go), and notify the maintainer -
> all without learning anything new. And I think this is true for many
> other developers. But in kicad using bazaar there is significant
> friction involved in every single one of the above steps for the newcomer.
>
> Of course someone sufficiently motivated can overcome these things. But
> I think there is a significant constituency of good contributors who
> just have very little time to spare, but who have good things to offer,
> and who you never hear from because they were discouraged by the friction.
>
> For myself, overcoming this friction has definitely kept me away from
> hacking on Kicad for some time.
>
> So I'm asking what you think?
>
> Of course I totally respect the project author's right to decide, and I
> really respect this project - it is an amazing piece of work. Which is
> why I really want to see it continue to grow and prosper.
>
> I consider myself somewhat knowledgeable about Git, usage, migration
> etc., so if I can help with some transition work, or clarify anything I
> would be happy to help.
>
> On the subject of Launchpad - it seems to me like a fine project system,
> so if everyone is happing using it, I see no need to migrate away from
> it - unless you want to. And there are several high quality Git hosting
> platforms available, some have wikis and bug trackers etc. - if you ever
> want to do an import to them at some point in the future.
>
> Also, I've been doing a little work on scripts/libary-repos-install.sh,
> see the attached patch, would someone be willing to review it/commit it?
>
> Best Regards
> Joel Holdsworth
>
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