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[timofonic timofonic <timofonic@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hello David.

Please don't take it as something personal, but this debate appears quite
often. I would like to provide my feedback about it.

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HALF OFTOPIC ABOUT "UNIX WAY", PLEASE DISCUSS ABOUT IT IN THIS IF YOU WANT
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Disclaimer:
I'm not a developer at all, just a novice and extreme Jack of All Trades
guy. But I think my reply might be right and most real contributors could
agree at least in some way. Apologizes if KiCad developers think in a
different way, please reply about it.

Sorry, but this project is multiplatform. One of the goals is to modularize
and integrate KiCad, instead needing to use TCP just to make Eeschema and
PCBnew communicate.

Are you into the ephemeral, undefined and largely morphed "UNIX way"?  I
think you are part of nostalgia:

- Xorg used some kind of networking too and is getting progressively
deprecated to Wayland with a different approach.
- Traditional hackish init system is replaced to SystemD by merging,
standardizing and integrating lots of services. This is something "True
UNIX People" hate, so they forked udev and use OpenRC or switch to BSD, but
there's tendencies that BSDs might switch to the SystemD model too.

- Desktop Environments don't follow the " UNIX way " too. They use lots of
libraries and frameworks, provide configuration and even provide
applications in default metapackages too.

I think there are other FOSS EDA projects that follow the UNIX way, you
might be more interested in them ;)
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Kind regards.
On Sep 22, 2015 5:42 PM, "David Cary" <d.cary+2012@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

> I agree with Adam Wolf that KiCad is intended to work fine without an
> internet connection.
> If some part of KiCad doesn't work right without internet
> connectivity, could you please help us fix this bug?
> Please tell us: How can we reproduce the bug, what KiCad actually
> (incorrectly) does, and what you expected KiCad to do?
>
> I also agree that a datasheet cache might be useful.
> However, many programmers prefer "small programs to accomplish a
> particular task instead of trying to develop large monolithic programs
> to do a large number of tasks"
> ( -- "The Unix Tools Philosophy",
> http://www.tldp.org/LDP/GNU-Linux-Tools-Summary/html/c1089.htm ).
>
> A tool that caches/stores datasheets locally sounds like a tool that
> would be useful to many people, even people that don't have KiCad
> installed.
>
> Are you using a web browser to navigate to the URL of the datasheet?
> Is there some way to get the web browser to cache that datasheet, and
> wouldn't that be better than to get KiCad to cache the datasheet?
>
> I am reluctant to spend time writing yet another client-side caching
> proxy server from scratch, without understanding:
> How would that work any better than your web browser's cache or the
> existing caching proxy servers listed on the following pages?:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_cache
> http://www.jroller.com/bantunes/entry/open_source_caching_proxy_servers
>
> http://www.dmoz.org/Computers/Internet/Proxying_and_Filtering/Products_and_Tools/Software/Server/
>
> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Adam Wolf
> <adamwolf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > KiCad works just fine without an internet connection, and based on the
> > strong opinions of many of the developers,I can only assume it will
> remain
> > so for a long time.
> >
> > Caching proxy servers are available written in many languages, but are
> not
> > part of KiCad.
> >
> > There is also a datasheet field, iirc, which can open PDF data sheets
> when
> > they are stored on your system.
> >
> > Adam Wolf
> > Cofounder and Engineer
> > Wayne and Layne
> >
> > On Sep 21, 2015 5:14 PM, "timofonic timofonic" <timofonic@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello.
> >>
> >> I often get located at places without internet connectivity. This is
> >> annoying.
> >>
> >> What about a Python script that caches/stores datasheets locally? Would
> it
> >> be possible?
>
> --
> David Cary
> +1(918)813-2279
> http://OpenCircuits.com/
> http://david.carybros.com/
>