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[Chris Pavlina <pavlina.chris@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 01:18:51PM -0500, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
> I can just hear users howling already when they left click the color
> swatch thinking that they are selecting the layer and then have to
> dismiss the color select dialog to continue working.  If we cannot come
> up with a better solution, it may be best to leave sleeping dogs lie.  I
> wonder how many of the 75% of voters in the poll would response to
> having to dismiss the color selection dialog every time they
> inadvertently left clicked the color button?  This may be a case of
> ignorance being bliss.

Pfft, you always hear users howling. :P

Did you see the suggestion in the thread to move the color boxes to the
other side to avoid accidental clicks?

FWIW I don't think I've ever accidentally clicked one of them.

> 
> On 2/21/2017 12:54 PM, Jon Evans wrote:
> > FWIW, this is what my expecations were as a new user when I started with
> > KiCad (for what would happen with a single left-click) based on how
> > things work in other applications with layer managers I have used (ECAD,
> > graphics, etc):
> > 
> > http://i.imgur.com/Euh2Gjwl.png
> > 
> > -Jon
> > 
> > On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 12:04 PM, Chris Pavlina <pavlina.chris@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:pavlina.chris@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> > 
> >     By the way.
> > 
> >     https://forum.kicad.info/t/developer-feedback-poll-layer-manager/5421 <https://forum.kicad.info/t/developer-feedback-poll-layer-manager/5421>
> > 
> >     Feel free to add your own responses. The results look pretty conclusive
> >     right now ;)
> > 
> >     On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 11:40:05AM -0500, Chris Pavlina wrote:
> >     > Sent to wrong recipient.
> >     >
> >     > On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 11:38:43AM -0500, Chris Pavlina wrote:
> >     > > On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 05:24:14PM +0100, jp charras wrote:
> >     > > > Le 21/02/2017 à 16:07, Chris Pavlina a écrit :
> >     > > > > On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 09:35:34AM -0500, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
> >     > > > >> My only issue with this change is that the tooltip letting
> >     the user know
> >     > > > >> that a left button double click or a middle button click
> >     would allow
> >     > > > >> them to change the color is gone.  Other than that, it
> >     looks great.  I
> >     > > > >> like the use of Bind instead of Connect.  Bind has a much
> >     cleaner
> >     > > > >> interface than Connect and according to the wx folks is the
> >     proper way
> >     > > > >> to handle events.
> >     > > > >
> >     > > > > The tooltip is useless, nobody is going to hover over them
> >     for long
> >     > > > > enough to see it. I was just talking to someone this morning
> >     who never
> >     > > > > found the tooltip because he was too busy clicking on the
> >     buttons to
> >     > > > > make them work.
> >     > > > >
> >     > > > > Every other color well in every other application opens its
> >     selection
> >     > > > > dialog with a single left click. Why can't ours?
> >     > > >
> >     > > > First you have to decide if the main purpose is to select the
> >     active layer or to change the color layer.
> >     > > > The answer will give also the answer to "Why can't ours".
> >     > > >
> >     > > > For me the answer is not obvious, but my opinion is:
> >     > > > the primary purpose of the layer manager is to select the
> >     working layer.
> >     > > > Therefore the single left click should change the layer,
> >     whatever you are clicking.
> >     > > >
> >     > > > If the primary purpose of the layer manager is to select the
> >     color, then a single left click should
> >     > > > open the color dialog.
> >     > >
> >     > > This isn't "the layer manager", it's a color well IN the layer
> >     manager.
> >     > >
> >     > > >
> >     > > > If the single left click opens the dialog, be sure many times,
> >     when clicking inside the layer
> >     > > > manager, you will open the dialog, instead of changing the
> >     active layer, especially if you are too
> >     > > > busy clicking on the window to verify the exact position of
> >     the mouse.
> >     > > > (It frequently happened to me when the single click was
> >     opening the dialog)
> >     > > >
> >     > > > A wise decision is never obvious.
> >     > > > (A reason like "other applications do that" is not necessary a
> >     good reason.
> >     > > > Each application has its constraints and its compromises)
> >     > >
> >     > > YES IT IS. Consistency is the single most important way to make an
> >     > > interface understandable. A box containing a color is a color
> >     well, and
> >     > > color wells behave the exact same way in everything that isn't
> >     kicad.
> >     > >
> >     > > Next you'll tell me "File->Open opening a file in other
> >     applications is
> >     > > not a good reason it shouldn't display a photo of a llama in KiCad".
> >     > >
> >     > > >
> >     > > > >
> >     > > > >>
> >     > > > >> On 2/21/2017 8:04 AM, John Beard wrote:
> >     > > > >>> Hi,
> >     > > > >>>
> >     > > > >>> These patches fix the layer/render widget swatches in
> >     Linux under new
> >     > > > >>> GTK+ toolkits. Fix for:
> >     https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1605411
> >     <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1605411>
> >     > > > >>>
> >     > > > >>> The patches remove the "button" nature of the swatches,
> >     since they
> >     > > > >>> weren't actually actuated by a single click, so the button
> >     affordance
> >     > > > >>> was misleading anyway. Also on OSX, the button was
> >     invisible, so it
> >     > > > >>> just looked like a flat swatch anyway.
> >     > > > >>>
> >     > > > >>> * Linux as it was:
> >     > > > >>>
> >     https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxVhl5qZbpYoZlZPeXV1Q0ttT2s/view
> >     <https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxVhl5qZbpYoZlZPeXV1Q0ttT2s/view>
> >     > > > >>> * OSX as it was:
> >     > > > >>>
> >     https://launchpadlibrarian.net/274428737/Screen%20Shot%202016-07-22%20at%2019.40.14.png
> >     <https://launchpadlibrarian.net/274428737/Screen%20Shot%202016-07-22%20at%2019.40.14.png>
> >     > > > >>> * Linux after this patch: see attachment
> >     > > > >>>
> >     > > > >>> This is followed by a refactor to pull the swatch logic
> >     out of the
> >     > > > >>> layer widget into common, where it can be used by other
> >     clients, for
> >     > > > >>> example the eeschema display color dialog, if wanted.
> >     > > > >>>
> >     > > > >>> Patch #3 is a simple replacement of old WX Connect with
> >     Bind for
> >     > > > >>> consistency in that file.
> >     > > > >>>
> >     > > > >>> Cheers,
> >     > > > >>>
> >     > > > >>> John
> >     > > > >>>
> >     > > > >>>
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