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Re: [FEATURE] Array 3D models

 

Please enlighten me. I've always thought of STEP as the best end game, but haven't had much time to investigate advantages and disadvantages. What prevents STEP models from looking just as good as VRML models?

Best Regards,
David


On 11/6/2017 4:17 PM, Cirilo Bernardo wrote:
I wouldn't worry about the STEP file having numerous small parts;
this happens all the time anyway unless the model can be fused.
I don't see us abandoning VRML. I wrote the new parser but never
use VRML except when testing the VRML parser. However, many
people out there like to have VRML to make shiny models to show
people.  I suspect there are more users who want VRML rather
than STEP and that the STEP models are used mostly by
professional users and hobbyists who happen to have an MCAD
package. VRML is also used by some professionals for brochures
or web page images; there is no disputing that STEP models look
terribly ugly.

On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 4:17 PM, José Ignacio <jose.cyborg@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
The only thing i really have against this is that it would make a pretty
messy step file because the component would be broken up in tiny parts.
Wouldn't there be a space saving with just ditching wrl altogether? the next
stable won't need them

On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 9:53 AM, Kristoffer Ödmark
<kristofferodmark90@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
To be fair, as it stands now, even if it is "only" for the pin headers,
this is close to half of the 3d library size as of now.

The pin headers can now be of an arbitrary size as well. Someone can now
create a 4x6 pin header for example, and the current footprints can be
converted to this array system, thus reducing the size.

Arbitrary pin headers are a step up anyway.

This being said, I have not tested the patch yet, but even if it is "only"
for pin headers, the idea is sound to me.



On 11/06/2017 04:22 PM, easyw wrote:
Hi Oliver,

I'm sorry not to be on your side for this option...

1) for which kind of modules this array is applicable?
I see only pin-headers straight and angled...
for example box headers are not easily done unless you consider to manage
by the code the box for each model
2) the problem related to the big 3D library dimension will not be
covered unless for some little family that can be managed by this on the fly
generator

As I already suggested, the issue with the huge 3D github library can be
managed in a different way:
1) give the kicad users only a basic 3D library (i.e. most used smd and
th families)
2) give an option to pcbnew to automatically create a list of the missing
models needed for a project and collecting only them through a wget
process...

This will give a very low downloading band need and will not increase the
need of disk space for having all the 3D library locally, full of unwanted
models.

Here a conversation of this issue:
https://github.com/KiCad/kicad-library/issues/1532#issuecomment-341707706

my two-cents
Maurice

On 11/06/2017 3:01 PM, Oliver Walters wrote:
To provide an option to reduce the size of the 3D model library, I have
implemented an "array" feature for 3D models. A module (footprint) can
reference a single model multiple times, with a dimensional offset between
each copy.

(Note - just the PinHeader models are currently over 1GB! This feature
lets you use a single 3D model for all pin headers or similar repetitive
footprints within a certain series).

Features:

1. Specify repeat count and repeat step in x/y/z axes
2. Save / load implemented. (If no repeat option used, no extra output
is generated - old files are not touched)
3. Render in 3D viewer
4. Render in raytracing viewer
5. Export to VRML (multiple references to single file)
6. Export to STEP

Notes:

a. An exported STEP file will now be (possibly) much smaller as it
references a single small object multiple times
b. There were a couple of bugs I found where model offset units were
incorrectly translated between INCHES and MM

A couple of screenshots:

https://imgur.com/a/EOwPh


Testing:

Wayne verified that the file units for 3D model data are in mm - I
*think* this means that there was previously a bug regarding 3D model
offset, where the scaling factor in the file was interpreted as inches when
exporting (e.g. to STEP)

I believe I have fixed this bug - confirmation would be great.

Cheers,
Oliver


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