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[Dale Trombley <buzzmandt@xxxxxxxxx>]

I hope I can reply here. Dev tester for kubuntu for almost a decade. I also
consider myself an average user and IT kubuntu for my wife and mother (73
years old).

My use case with wife and mither included is you can remove pim and it
wouldn't effect anything any of us do in kubuntu. We all use Gmail and
access it through the browser. Neither of us use akregator, telepathy* (I
did briefly when it still worked with Facebook. Afaik it no longer does),
kmail (pita to set up for Gmail 2 step authentication), etc. Afaik we use
nothing in the pim suite.

I have always hated (sorry guys) kwallet. It always just seemed more in my
way than it was useful.

Even in our home business we are moving our "office" type documents more
and more to Google drive/docs for ease of sharing and collaboration (not
really pim related I think but the previous mail mentioned
libreoffice/outlook).

As a tester I would support the removal of pim for a smaller install media,
less upgrade packages, and a quicker boot time. Right now (kubuntu dev
17.10) boots terribly slow imho).

-Dale

On Sep 15, 2017 9:22 AM, "Franklin Weng" <franklin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> My experiences and thoughts about this topic:
>
> 1. ezgo, our distribution derived from Kubuntu, doesn't contain *any*
> kdepim packages.  No telepathy-*, no Kwallet, no KMail, even no akregator,
> which I preferred to pre-install in the ezgo but finally gave up because I
> was forced to install akonadi and mysql-server-core at the same time.
>
> The main reason for not pre-installing kdepim is that, being a
> distribution designed for newbie users, kdepim would hugely confuse them.
>
> The size is another major issue.
>
> 2. Though more and more people use gmail, yahoo or other on line webmail,
> it doesn't mean mail clients are not necessary anymore.  On the contrary,
> there are still many people "kidnapped" by Outlook, which is bound to
> Microsoft Office suite.
>
> One of the major issues we faced when migrating LibreOffice to
> organizations is that, users ask us about alternatives for Outlook.  And to
> be honest, there is not any solution good enough for now, no matter
> Thunderbird, Sylpheed, or KMail.
>
> I just tried KMail again not too long ago.  Setting Google IMAP accounts
> didn't work at all.  The mail preview didn't show correctly.  That snub out
> my wish to use KMail as an alternative solution to Outlook.
>
> 3.  For the kdepim I think the main problem is to tightly bound to akonadi
> server and a huge database backend.  Akregator, KOrganizer, KWallet (I
> strongly suggest to change a name to avoid users thinking it as an on line
> payment agent) are all very good applications.  IMO without being bound to
> akonadi and mysql-server-core they are good enough to be pre-installed in
> Kubuntu.
>
> BTW, is KDE neon now the "official" KDE distribution?
>
>
> Franklin
>
> 2017年9月15日 20:52，"Clive Johnston" <clivejo@xxxxxxxxxxx>寫道：
>
> I know this is not going to be a popular subject for some, but I feel it
> does need debated.  I would like to propose dropping PIM (all of it) from
> the iso (Kubuntu install medium)
>
> Here are my reasons for doing so:
>
> 1) PIM is a system resource hog - It starts services in the background
> which lead to longer waiting times to actually boot into your desktop.  We
> tried to disable a lot of these services from auto-starting in Zesty and
> found that our default install footprint (memory and speed getting to
> desktop) was greatly reduced.
>
> 2) Majority of people don't actually use it - I am definitely in the
> minority of Kubuntu users who actually do use PIM features, and I love it.
> However, most users do not use it but are having it installed by default.
> This means that they will then have to keep it updated, unless they
> physically remove it.
>
> 3) iso size - PIM is a bit of a beast and is quite big size wise (when you
> consider all the dependencies).  Dropping it off the iso would make the
> total iso size smaller and will also make installation a bit quicker as
> hundreds of extra packages won't have to be installed.
>
> 4) Upgrade overhead - Every-time a Kubuntu user does an upgrade, PIM will
> need to be upgraded too.  For those on slower internet connections (like
> myself) this can be slow and frustrating.  This is even more annoying if
> you don't even use the PIM suite!
>
> 5) KDE neon don't install it by default - The official KDE distribution
> don't install it by default.  Probably due to the resource hogging as
> described above.
>
> 6) Any part of the suite can easily be installed via Discover, Muon or
> Konsole by those who actually do want it.  In my opinion opting in is more
> in line with Freedoms of open source software rather than opting out (just
> personal opinion).
>
> I'm interested in other opinions and a debate on the issue, so please
> reply to this thread.
>
> Clive
>
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