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[Barry Warsaw <barry@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

= ReviewerMeeting20090819 =

== summary ==

 * beuno to add a 'ui' specialty to ReviewerSchedule
 * gary_poster will not be doing OCR for the next 6 months as he sits in as foundations team lead while flacoste is sitting in as launchpad team lead

== logs ==

=== ameu ===

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19-08-2009 10:00:24 > barry: #startmeeting
19-08-2009 10:00:25 < MootBot!n=MootBot@unaffiliated/mootbot: Meeting started at 09:00. The chair is barry.
19-08-2009 10:00:25 < MootBot!n=MootBot@unaffiliated/mootbot: Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
19-08-2009 10:00:36 > barry: welcome to this week's ameu reviewer's meeting.  who's here today?
19-08-2009 10:00:38 < BjornT!n=bjorn@canonical/launchpad/BjornT: me
19-08-2009 10:00:39 < EdwinGrubbs!n=egrubbs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx: me
19-08-2009 10:00:43 < bac!n=bac@canonical/launchpad/bac: me
19-08-2009 10:00:59 > barry: deryck sends his apologies
19-08-2009 10:01:05 < salgado!n=salgado@canonical/launchpad/salgado: me
19-08-2009 10:01:17 < abentley!n=abentley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx: me
19-08-2009 10:01:20 < adeuring!n=abel@79.197.105.142: me
19-08-2009 10:01:55 < intellectronica!n=tom@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx: me
19-08-2009 10:01:55 -!- flacoste!n=francis@canonical/launchpad/flacoste has joined #launchpad-meeting
19-08-2009 10:02:10 < sinzui!n=sinzui@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx: me
19-08-2009 10:02:14 > barry: jtv: ping
19-08-2009 10:02:17 < flacoste!n=francis@canonical/launchpad/flacoste: me
19-08-2009 10:02:20 < jtv!n=jtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx: me
19-08-2009 10:02:23 > barry: leonardr: ping
19-08-2009 10:02:24 < jtv!n=jtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx: barry: thanks :)
19-08-2009 10:02:29 > barry: :)
19-08-2009 10:02:31 < bigjools!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/bigjools: me
19-08-2009 10:02:54 > barry: cprov, gary_poster, gmb, noodles775 ping
19-08-2009 10:03:02 < noodles775!n=miken@canonical/launchpad/noodles775: me
19-08-2009 10:03:07 < gary_poster!n=gary_pos@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx: me, sorry
19-08-2009 10:03:07 < cprov!n=cprov@canonical/launchpad/cprov: me
19-08-2009 10:03:10 < leonardr!n=leonardr@canonical/launchpad/leonardr: me
19-08-2009 10:03:17 < gmb!n=graham@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx: barry: OTP at the moment; apologies are on the schedule.
19-08-2009 10:03:23 < gary_poster!n=gary_pos@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx: :-)
19-08-2009 10:03:32 > * barry reloads the page
19-08-2009 10:03:43 < gary_poster!n=gary_pos@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx: lol
19-08-2009 10:03:53 > barry: gmb: are you sure you committed your draft? :)
19-08-2009 10:04:28 > barry: danilos, allenap, rockstar ping
19-08-2009 10:04:36 < danilos!n=danilo@canonical/launchpad/danilos: me
19-08-2009 10:04:38 < allenap!n=gavin@89.16.172.38: me
19-08-2009 10:05:02 > barry: [TOPIC] agenda
19-08-2009 10:05:03 < MootBot!n=MootBot@unaffiliated/mootbot: New Topic:  agenda
19-08-2009 10:05:09 > barry:  * Roll call
19-08-2009 10:05:09 > barry:  * Action items
19-08-2009 10:05:09 > barry:  * Mentoring update
19-08-2009 10:05:09 > barry:  * Peanut gallery (anything not on the agenda)
19-08-2009 10:05:12 > barry:  
19-08-2009 10:06:33 > barry: [TOPIC] action items
19-08-2009 10:06:34 < MootBot!n=MootBot@unaffiliated/mootbot: New Topic:  action items
19-08-2009 10:06:40 > barry:  * intellectronica to report on relevant summary of ui reviewers meeting here
19-08-2009 10:06:47 > barry: intellectronica: tell us some good news!
19-08-2009 10:07:05 < intellectronica!n=tom@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx: i think there has been some kind of misunderstanding
19-08-2009 10:07:12 < intellectronica!n=tom@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx: there aren't really any ui reviewers meetings
19-08-2009 10:07:29 > barry: intellectronica: ui phone call maybe?
19-08-2009 10:08:00 < intellectronica!n=tom@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx: i suppose the most interesting thing i can tell you is that martin is planning on beefing up the guidelines and in particular, start collecting case reports for interesting branches that went through ui review
19-08-2009 10:08:30 < intellectronica!n=tom@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx: so if you're working on a ui branch from either side and think the process was interesting and other can learn from it, consider compiling a case report
19-08-2009 10:09:02 -!- beuno!n=beuno@canonical/launchpad/beuno has joined #launchpad-meeting
19-08-2009 10:09:05 < beuno!n=beuno@canonical/launchpad/beuno: yes
19-08-2009 10:09:14 < intellectronica!n=tom@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx: oh, we should have talked about a million dollars
19-08-2009 10:09:24 > barry: :)
19-08-2009 10:09:37 > barry: beuno: intellectronica was giving us a summary of the ui call
19-08-2009 10:09:57 > barry: <intellectronica> i suppose the most interesting thing i can tell you is that
19-08-2009 10:09:57 > barry:                  martin is planning on beefing up the guidelines and in
19-08-2009 10:09:57 > barry:                  particular, start collecting case reports for interesting
19-08-2009 10:09:57 > barry:                  branches that went through ui review  [10:08]
19-08-2009 10:10:00 > barry: <intellectronica> so if you're working on a ui branch from either side and
19-08-2009 10:10:03 > barry:                  think the process was interesting and other can learn from
19-08-2009 10:10:06 > barry:                  it, consider compiling a case report
19-08-2009 10:10:09 > barry:  
19-08-2009 10:10:16 > barry: intellectronica: thanks; beuno do you have anything you want to add?
19-08-2009 10:10:40 < beuno!n=beuno@canonical/launchpad/beuno: well
19-08-2009 10:10:49 < beuno!n=beuno@canonical/launchpad/beuno: my goal is for the team to do it's own reviews
19-08-2009 10:11:11 < beuno!n=beuno@canonical/launchpad/beuno: and have teh UX team help with the long-term changes
19-08-2009 10:11:42 < beuno!n=beuno@canonical/launchpad/beuno: and I'm not sure how to get there, but I'm starting to
19-08-2009 10:11:57 > barry: one other thing we talked about was adding a 'ui' specialty to ReviewerSchedule for people who have graduated from ui mentat
19-08-2009 10:12:01 < beuno!n=beuno@canonical/launchpad/beuno: so if anyone has suggestions, ideas, comments, anything, I'd be very grateful
19-08-2009 10:12:24 < beuno!n=beuno@canonical/launchpad/beuno: yes, it's on my ToDo
19-08-2009 10:12:32 > barry: beuno: cool, thanks
19-08-2009 10:12:58 > barry: beuno: do you want to join this meeting regularly?  i could add 'ui reviewer report' to the agenda
19-08-2009 10:13:26 < beuno!n=beuno@canonical/launchpad/beuno: barry, I would like to try, yes
19-08-2009 10:13:40 > * barry will be pingmaster :)
19-08-2009 10:13:57 > barry: beuno: awesome, thanks.  i'll remove intellectronica's action item then
19-08-2009 10:14:15 > barry: anything else on ui reviewing, from anybody?
19-08-2009 10:14:45 > barry: cool, moving on
19-08-2009 10:14:51 > barry: [TOPIC] mentoring update
19-08-2009 10:14:51 < MootBot!n=MootBot@unaffiliated/mootbot: New Topic:  mentoring update
19-08-2009 10:15:17 > barry: i think i'll remove this topic for now.  when wgrant wants to become a reviewer we can add it back 
19-08-2009 10:15:27 > barry: [TOPIC] peanut gallery
19-08-2009 10:15:27 < intellectronica!n=tom@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx: aren't we all reviewing now? i think this item can be skipped until some community members start reviewing
19-08-2009 10:15:28 < MootBot!n=MootBot@unaffiliated/mootbot: New Topic:  peanut gallery
19-08-2009 10:15:39 > barry: intellectronica: yes, we are all reviewers!
19-08-2009 10:15:51 > barry: so, does anybody have anything not on the agenda?
19-08-2009 10:16:49 > barry: i guess that's it then!
19-08-2009 10:16:49 < intellectronica!n=tom@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx: yes
19-08-2009 10:16:55 < intellectronica!n=tom@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx: almost :)
19-08-2009 10:17:03 > barry: intellectronica: go4it
19-08-2009 10:17:18 < gary_poster!n=gary_pos@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx: barry: (I'm not going to be OCR on Wednesday because of team lead duties)
19-08-2009 10:17:34 < gary_poster!n=gary_pos@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx: 6 mo. :-)
19-08-2009 10:17:47 < intellectronica!n=tom@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx: a reminder to everyone that python branches with a diff > 800 lines and javascript branches with a diff > 1600 lines are exceptional, and need to have a review sorted in advance. OCRs will often not be able to take them just like that
19-08-2009 10:18:09 > barry: gary_poster: gotcha.  EdwinGrubbs will have to carry the west
19-08-2009 10:18:14 < gary_poster!n=gary_pos@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx: k
19-08-2009 10:18:44 > barry: intellectronica: thanks, and remember as a reviewer you always have a right to kick the branch back
19-08-2009 10:19:10 > barry: anything else today?
19-08-2009 10:19:36 > barry: 5
19-08-2009 10:19:37 > barry: 4
19-08-2009 10:19:38 < * cprov!n=cprov@canonical/launchpad/cprov feels guilty and hides.
19-08-2009 10:19:39 > barry: 3
19-08-2009 10:19:47 > barry: 2
19-08-2009 10:19:49 > barry: 1
19-08-2009 10:19:52 > barry: #endmeeting
}}}

=== asiapac ===

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19-08-2009 18:30:33 > barry: #startmeeting
19-08-2009 18:30:35 < MootBot!n=MootBot@unaffiliated/mootbot: Meeting started at 17:30. The chair is barry.
19-08-2009 18:30:35 < MootBot!n=MootBot@unaffiliated/mootbot: Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
19-08-2009 18:30:47 > barry: hello and welcome to this week's asiapac meeting, who's here today?
19-08-2009 18:31:04 > barry: thumper, rockstar ping
19-08-2009 18:31:18 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: hey
19-08-2009 18:32:05 > barry: thumper: hi.  i think it's just the three of us today, right?
19-08-2009 18:32:21 -!- mbarnett!n=mbarnett@64.34.151.178 has quit ["Leaving"]
19-08-2009 18:32:26 > barry: should be a quick meeting i think
19-08-2009 18:32:33 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: yep, although rockstar is out for a walk right now, so maybe just me
19-08-2009 18:32:38 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: did rockstar go to the earlier one?
19-08-2009 18:32:50 > barry: nope, he's joining us now
19-08-2009 18:33:06 > barry: s'okay, we can start (and maybe finish without him :)
19-08-2009 18:33:19 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: ok
19-08-2009 18:33:35 > barry: not much to report from ameu; gary_poster will suspend ocr duties while he fills in for flacoste, who's filling in for kiko
19-08-2009 18:33:44 < * thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper nods
19-08-2009 18:33:56 > barry: that's really about it.  got anything on your mind today?
19-08-2009 18:34:21 < * thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper thinks
19-08-2009 18:34:32 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: mainly just 3.0 redesign
19-08-2009 18:34:34 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: although...
19-08-2009 18:34:39 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: there was a question earlier by gmb
19-08-2009 18:34:48 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: about "do mechanical 3.0 changes need a ui review"
19-08-2009 18:34:58 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: I was under the impression that mechanical ones don't
19-08-2009 18:35:03 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: new pages/designs do
19-08-2009 18:35:17 > barry: those are up to the reviewer+dev.  if they feel it doesn't need another ui review, they're fine
19-08-2009 18:35:26 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: ok
19-08-2009 18:35:39 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: that's it for me
19-08-2009 18:35:45 < wgrant!n=wgrant@ubuntu/member/wgrant: One thing...
19-08-2009 18:35:56 < wgrant!n=wgrant@ubuntu/member/wgrant: Not sure where is appropriate, though.
19-08-2009 18:35:56 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: shoot
19-08-2009 18:36:01 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: ask away
19-08-2009 18:37:06 < wgrant!n=wgrant@ubuntu/member/wgrant: It seems to me that contributors should always get a reviewer from the team that their branch targets, because otherwise the team has no chance to object.
19-08-2009 18:37:34 < wgrant!n=wgrant@ubuntu/member/wgrant: The dev wiki just says to poke an OCR, but that probably often isn't right.
19-08-2009 18:37:49 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: wgrant: I think it depends on the change
19-08-2009 18:37:51 > barry: wgrant: that should be okayedin a pre-imp call, likely with a team member
19-08-2009 18:38:05 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: wgrant: if it is something trivial, then I'd be happy to OK a bugs or soyuz change
19-08-2009 18:38:05 > barry: we're all /supposed/ to be be able to review anything
19-08-2009 18:38:16 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: but if it is not trivial, or requires more specialised knowledge
19-08-2009 18:38:22 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: I'll pass it on, like I have done
19-08-2009 18:38:24 < rockstar!n=rockstar@canonical/launchpad/rockstar: oops.
19-08-2009 18:38:27 < rockstar!n=rockstar@canonical/launchpad/rockstar: Hi
19-08-2009 18:38:31 > barry: rockstar: hi
19-08-2009 18:38:47 > barry: thumper: yep
19-08-2009 18:38:56 > barry: wgrant: does that make sense?
19-08-2009 18:39:12 < wgrant!n=wgrant@ubuntu/member/wgrant: barry: It says to do the pre-imp chat with the OCR, but I suppose in most cases they'll just defer to a member of the right team, in which case that's fine.
19-08-2009 18:39:20 < wgrant!n=wgrant@ubuntu/member/wgrant: It does.
19-08-2009 18:39:27 > barry: wgrant: cool, yep
19-08-2009 18:39:41 < wgrant!n=wgrant@ubuntu/member/wgrant: Thanks.
19-08-2009 18:40:04 > barry: wgrant: it's great to see you here, and fantastic to see your branches landing.  how is the processing going for you?
19-08-2009 18:40:34 > barry: er, process
19-08-2009 18:40:42 < wgrant!n=wgrant@ubuntu/member/wgrant: barry: Very well, apart from the opacity of PQM and ec2test.
19-08-2009 18:40:54 > barry: wgrant: well, at least we feel your pain there too :)
19-08-2009 18:41:01 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: wgrant: we are wanting to move to LP queues
19-08-2009 18:41:01 < wgrant!n=wgrant@ubuntu/member/wgrant: The actual review stuff is fine.
19-08-2009 18:41:10 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: wgrant: which will make at least that part more visible
19-08-2009 18:41:15 < wgrant!n=wgrant@ubuntu/member/wgrant: But after the review, it goes into a black hole and sometimes doesn't appear again.
19-08-2009 18:41:16 < rockstar!n=rockstar@canonical/launchpad/rockstar: And once we're on queues, tarmac.
19-08-2009 18:41:28 > barry: rockstar: ftw
19-08-2009 18:41:29 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: rockstar: maybe ;-)
19-08-2009 18:41:35 < wgrant!n=wgrant@ubuntu/member/wgrant: There's also the problem of security branches, but I believe you're working that out elsewhere.
19-08-2009 18:41:39 < wgrant!n=wgrant@ubuntu/member/wgrant: That hit me today.
19-08-2009 18:41:44 < rockstar!n=rockstar@canonical/launchpad/rockstar: thumper, don't toy with my emotions like that...  :)
19-08-2009 18:41:50 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: I'm supposed to come up with a plan
19-08-2009 18:41:57 > barry: wgrant: because you can't make private branches?
19-08-2009 18:42:00 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: but I've not had time right now with the 3.0 stuff
19-08-2009 18:42:02 < wgrant!n=wgrant@ubuntu/member/wgrant: barry: Correct.
19-08-2009 18:42:14 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: we are planning the ability for anyone to be able to have a private branch
19-08-2009 18:42:19 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: to fix security bugs
19-08-2009 18:42:24 < wgrant!n=wgrant@ubuntu/member/wgrant: barry: I got spm to make it private, but then had to go back to him to get it visible to ~launchpad.
19-08-2009 18:42:30 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: but there are issues about who gets emailed when
19-08-2009 18:42:33 < wgrant!n=wgrant@ubuntu/member/wgrant: I'm not a member of ~launchpad, so I can't subscribe them to my private branch.
19-08-2009 18:42:37 > barry: thumper: would they have to be tied to security bugs?
19-08-2009 18:42:44 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: barry: possibly
19-08-2009 18:42:57 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: barry: we are lacking some ui ability
19-08-2009 18:42:58 > barry: wgrant: yep, that's losa territory
19-08-2009 18:43:32 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: barry: it may just work, but I'm not convinced, and will have to look at the tests
19-08-2009 18:43:43 > barry: cool.  rockstar anything on your mind for today?
19-08-2009 18:44:03 < rockstar!n=rockstar@canonical/launchpad/rockstar: barry, nope, not really.  I think the UI review for mechanical changes thing was the only thing.
19-08-2009 18:44:47 > barry: if there's nothing else from thumper, wgrant...
19-08-2009 18:44:54 < wgrant!n=wgrant@ubuntu/member/wgrant: Is devpad.info going to be public at some point?
19-08-2009 18:44:54 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: nope
19-08-2009 18:45:10 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: buildbot is moving
19-08-2009 18:45:12 < wgrant!n=wgrant@ubuntu/member/wgrant: It's annoying getting buildbot failures with me in the blamelist, and not being able to actually see what went wrong.
19-08-2009 18:45:17 < wgrant!n=wgrant@ubuntu/member/wgrant: Ah.
19-08-2009 18:45:29 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: wgrant: lpbuildbot.canonical.com
19-08-2009 18:45:38 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: wgrant: but I'm not sure on the visibility of it
19-08-2009 18:45:48 < rockstar!n=rockstar@canonical/launchpad/rockstar: It should be public.
19-08-2009 18:46:29 < wgrant!n=wgrant@ubuntu/member/wgrant: thumper: Aha!
19-08-2009 18:46:32 < wgrant!n=wgrant@ubuntu/member/wgrant: But no, it's not public.
19-08-2009 18:47:28 > barry: i think we're done...
19-08-2009 18:47:30 > barry: #endmeeting
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