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[clime <clime7@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hello,

I am still catching up on the Freenode stuff.

I like IRC very much and I don't really plan on stop using it.

That being said, I don't want to hinder any progress. Maybe I would argue,
that gitlab issue tracker is the best for more long-term questions :) and IRC
is more "ask and if you are lucky, you get the answer :).

What client I would use to connect to libravatar channel if we went
fully by your idea?
What would be the communication protocol then?

Thanks
clime

On Wed, 19 May 2021 at 17:39, Sheogorath
<ubuntu@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Hello Libravatars,
>
> As you probably already know, a bit of drama is going on around
> freenode. And while the situation is for sure more nuanced than many
> any of the article written about it can catch, apparently it motivates
> a lot of people to move IRC channels somewhere else.
>
> As someone who has operated a bunch of channels and even an own IRC
> networks for years, I can tell: That never works. IRC channels exist
> forever and with people joining these even ages after community moved
> on to another channel.
>
> However, my motivation here is not that I want to drop Freenode. No, I
> would like to drop IRC in first place. As an example I want to provide
> with a rather detailed piece from the GNOME discourse instance[1], that
> discusses the integration between Gimpnet and the GNOME matrix instance
> as well as the issues with the bridges.
>
> TL;DR: The UX on both sides of the bridge is bad. IRC users get non-
> sense messages when someone edits a message on Matrix or uses the reply
> function. Matrix users get kicked from a channel, because their IRC
> puppet was kicked from the room because it joined back before
> authenticating to NickServ. All in all, not great at all.
>
> Therefore I would like to push for the more modern matrix protocol and
> work towards making the IRC channel obsolete in the mid term.
>
> Why Matrix and not XYZ? Because Matrix is currently adopted by many
> major free software organisations. As mentioned GNOME, KDE, Fedora,
> Debian, Archlinux, … and so far, I don't know any other messenger
> protocol that managed that and remained federated. The integration with
> existing communites that were on Gitter before or that currently remain
> on Freenode, OFTC or gimpnet exists and allows everyone who wants to
> participate in the libravatar community to interact with these projects
> without any barrier and all while maintaining an account on a provider
> of their choice.
>
> For the libravatar community itself, we can also benefit. Recently we
> had it happen multiple times, that help was reaching too late, people
> who asked questions, didn't get an answer on time and left again.
> Normal on IRC, but sad. In Matrix we keep these around and allow better
> asynchonous answers. With the reply function even easy to connect to
> the right question again.
>
> As part of this proposal, which I already provided on IRC[2], the idea
> was already picked up and moved forward by Julian, who updated the Wiki
> to lead people to the Matrix side of things.
>
> Next steps would be to organise some room admins on Matrix, getting a
> nice alias, getting listed in room directories and update the main
> contact page.
>
> I would obviously love your ideas and opinions on it, hope that I
> didn't overrun your with this, and look forward to modernise the
> community around libravatar.
>
> [1]:
> https://discourse.gnome.org/t/irc-matrix-and-thanks-for-all-the-kicks/6482
> [2]:
> https://matrix.to/#/!WfzCzMRVEBEnLpUmCb:matrix.org/$1621430743145Hhcyd:shivering-isles.com?via=matrix.org&via=shivering-isles.com&via=foad.me.uk
>
> --
> Signed
> Sheogorath
>
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>
>
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