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[Sergio Meneses <sergioandresmeneses@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 6:06 AM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) <amjjawad@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:

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> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 6:28 AM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) <amjjawad@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
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>>>  On 11/06/2013 07:55 AM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>    Hi,
>>>>
>>>>  Kindly have a read at:
>>>>
>>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Get%20Involved/WhoWeAre
>>>>
>>>>  I have updated this Wiki Page with some new information which a bit
>>>> more in details than here:
>>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/GettingInvolved#Lubuntu_Community
>>>>
>>>>  Myself and some 'active' members of Lubuntu have discussed lately
>>>> about the activities of the team in general. We have noticed there are some
>>>> people who remain silent for months without any notice and then show up
>>>> suddenly then disappear again. We noticed that the list of members need to
>>>> be cleaned up so the Team Leaders of Lubuntu know at least who is
>>>> contributing and ask them for help and who is not. We have noticed that the
>>>> overall activities have been much less and while this could be normal in
>>>> regular releases at this stage, it is NOT for this cycle - why? simply
>>>> because Lubuntu 14.04 is going to be an LTS Release and that requires lots
>>>> of 'TEAM' work and I insist, TEAM WORK.
>>>>
>>>>  Also, we *(active members of the team) *came to understand that
>>>> previously, some tasks/roles were being handled by only 1-2 people if not
>>>> only one. This has proved to add unbelievable stress and huge burden over
>>>> the shoulder of those people. And, in most times, when they were in need to
>>>> help and support, they got very little bit of it. THIS must NOT be the case
>>>> in this cycle. And, I am sorry to be extra honest here but I will simply
>>>> leave Lubuntu once and for all if I will continue to feel that this is a
>>>> few people job rather than a Community and Team work.
>>>>
>>>>  Team work = "We must all have a great sense of responsibility and not
>>>> let things happen because everyone takes the comfortable view that someone
>>>> else is looking after it. Someone else isn't looking after it."
>>>>
>>>>    Lubuntu needs you for the coming 6 months and even after releasing
>>>> Lubuntu 14.04 LTS, whether it will be supported for 2 years or more Lubuntu
>>>> will still need you. Please, don't let Lubuntu down!
>>>>
>>>>  You may wonder what is the big deal behind all that but for myself
>>>> and some other members, this is called Loyalty and being in love with
>>>> Lubuntu which will make you dedicate some of your own time to do things and
>>>> most of the time, do more than what you are supposed to do. Lubuntu has a
>>>> special magic that not only can breathe new life into an old semi-dead
>>>> machine but can take you far away and open your mind and change your life.
>>>>
>>>>  Before the Real Hard and Tough Work starts for 14.04, it is a very
>>>> good time to discuss such issues before 'active' people get busy with
>>>> testing, bugs, etc and won't have time to stuff like that :)
>>>>
>>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Get%20Involved/WhoWeAre
>>>>
>>>>  Hopefully, we can get this list updated soon!
>>>>  Because, we do need to know who is contributing and participating and
>>>> who is not. At least, for our information and I see nothing wrong with that
>>>> :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/lubuntu-brainstorming/+spec/team-activity
>>>>
>>>>  Thank you!
>>>>
>>>>  --
>>>>   Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us."
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>  amjjawad <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad>
>>>>  Areas of Involvement<https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad/AreasOfInvolvement>
>>>>  My Projects <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad/Projects>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 8:21 PM, Aere Greenway <
>>>> Aere@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> Ali:
>>>>
>>>> As I indicated in my last reply to you, at present, I am very busy, and
>>>> only contribute occasionally.
>>>>
>>>> If the criteria for being on this list as being able to put in more
>>>> time, then by all means, feel free to remove me from this e-mail list.
>>>>
>>>> - Aere
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> Aere
>>>>
>>>>  Hi Aere,
>>>
>>> I am sorry if my email wasn't clear for you. Allow me to explain in
>>> easy, simple and clear way :)
>>>
>>> 1- I am afraid you are confused between the mailing list as a way to
>>> communicate with everyone and being active as a contributor :)  I am sure I
>>> have explained that to you months ago but I'd be glad to explain that
>>> again. I am sure I was extra clear about the two groups that our community
>>> consists of: Users and Contributors. For Users, they are not required to be
>>> active. For Contributors, they 'are required' to be active :)
>>>
>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Get%20Involved/WhoWeAre#Lubuntu_Community
>>>
>>> 2- NO ONE will remove ANYONE. This is a Mailing List for everyone and as
>>> long as we are following these guidelines:
>>> http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/mailing-lists - then everything
>>> is fine. No one is going to remove you, Aere :)
>>>
>>> 3- This is a usual routine we do from time to time. What is special this
>>> time is we will go for an LTS release and we do need to re-evaluate
>>> everything to avoid the previous mistakes and adopt the best approach to
>>> not only have a rock solid system but a strong team that is capable of
>>> whatever task/challenge it may have of face :)
>>>
>>> I hope this is clear and if not, please let me know and I will be very
>>> glad to re-explain.
>>>
>>> If you think you are busy then for sure, you can simply add your name
>>> here:
>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Get%20Involved/WhoWeAre#Lubuntu_Users
>>>
>>> Before, we had only a list of actual members and active contributors but
>>> now, Users can also add their names :)
>>>
>>> Thank you!
>>>
>>> @Phill, Lars and others who updated their entries: THANK YOU SO MUCH :D
>>>
>>> Have a great time everyone!
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>  On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 4:41 AM, Sergio Meneses <
>>> sergioandresmeneses@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> I am agree!
>>>
>>> Sergio Meneses
>>> Linux User: #478743
>>> Ubuntu User: #24056
>>>
>>>
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> Hi Sergio,
>
> I am glad you agree. It breaks my heart to see only few are still active
> and it makes ms sad a lot to see this community has a problem that should
> be addressed and fixed: Lack Of Communications!
>
> I am sorry, I don't feel that we are working as a team anymore.
>

We are beginning with a new cycle and members, this things needs time ;)


>
> Thank you for everyone who is active and for those who are trying to be
> active. Someone needs to start recruiting more contributors IMHO. I wish I
> could do that but for two reasons, I will not.
> 1- I am so busy with Ubuntu GNOME Team (
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad/UbuntuGNOME-Team)
> 2- I am no longer interested to do a lot alone all by myself.
>

you are not alone


>
> Lubuntu is a community and there should be a team work.
>
> I do know who is active. They are a huge support. They are helping me and
> helping this community to remain active and move forward. But, they are
> few. They know who they are, I don't need to mention names :) THANK YOU for
> your support.
>
> I will be around if you guys need me!
>
> Good Luck :)
>
> --
> Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us."
> Best Regards,
> amjjawad <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad>
> Areas of Involvement <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad/AreasOfInvolvement>
> My Projects <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad/Projects>
>