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[Ho Wan Chan <smartboyhw@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hello Lubuntu Brainstormin Team,

I would like to raise some points on the proposal.

1. Ali was saying, "We don't have many active members." This poses a huge
threat to a council which, in it's early days, require active
participation. Especiallu when you have team members and leaders not
responding to e-mails often, think again whether you can maintain it.

2. The naming, itself, is incorrect. Look at the Kubuntu Council and the
Edubuntu Council. Both of them don't have the word "Community" in the
title. This is because everyone knows that the development decisions are
made not necessarily by the councils, but by their developers. There's no
explicit need for the word "community" in it.

3. You must have a concrete member case (at least 10). Look at the Kubuntu
Council. It was elected by 56 Kubuntu members. I seriously don't want the
structure to become simliar to Edubuntu's Council, i.e. there are 5 council
seats yet there are only 5 members.

Regards,
Howard Chan (smartboyhw)
On 2013/11/16 上午10:02, "Phill Whiteside" <PhillW@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Just my thoughts...
>
> I hate 'councils' with a passion. I also hate the badge of 'team leader'
> for the sub-groups. All any team requires is an admin person who looks
> after the day to day 'paper work'. The lubunteers do the work and chat to
> each other all the time. I fail to see how a 'council' would help in any
> way and also feel it would drive people away. Let me just remind you of a
> 'rule' of freenode which is about catalysts.....
>
> http://freenode.net/catalysts.shtml
>
> I broke that, and resigned from my positions; but I do ask that you
> consider this...
>
> ... not through the use of authority and special privilege, ....
>
> When ubuntu-beginners created a council, it was the death, UBT no longer
> exists.
>
> So, other lubunteers, please think long and hard about raising a
> 'council'; IMHO, it is a really bad idea and even though I have stepped
> down from 'official' stuff... I wanted to let you know my thoughts.
>
> My kindest regards,
>
> Phill.
>
>
>
>
> On 15 November 2013 20:26, Federico Leoni <effelle@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> 2013/11/15 David Yentzen <dbyentzen@xxxxxxxxx>:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) <
>> amjjawad@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Dear Lubuntu Community,
>> >>
>> >> Kindly have a read at this Blueprint/Proposal:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/lubuntu-brainstorming/+spec/lubuntu-community-council
>> >>
>> >> And, if you are using a Cell Phone or any device and for whatever
>> reason
>> >> can't access the link, here is the text:
>> >>
>> >>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> Lubuntu Community Council is my proposal/idea to clean the current
>> mess in
>> >> Lubuntu Community and solve the pending issues that the community is
>> facing
>> >> in order to move forward to build a healthy community and a rock solid
>> >> system for old machines with LTS.
>> >>
>> >> ------------------------------
>> >> Given Information:
>> >> ------------------------------
>> >> 1- Lubuntu Community Has NO Actual Leader Starting from 15-May-2012 -
>> >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/lubuntu-users/2012-May/001516.html
>> >>
>> >> 2- Lubuntu Community and Sub-Teams are a real mess. Lubuntu
>> Communications
>> >> Sub-Team and Lubuntu QA Team are both without 'Active' Team Leaders.
>> The
>> >> whole team needs a clean up, reorganize and re-assessment.
>> >>
>> >> 3- The Activities of the Community has dropped due to lack of
>> >> communications and some core old members of the team has
>> left/quit/resigned
>> >> and the rest are inactive and only very few are still active but that
>> is not
>> >> enough.
>> >>
>> >> 4- Lubuntu 13.10 was a bit of disappointment for as per users and
>> members
>> >> feedback and some nasty bugs.
>> >>
>> >> -----------------
>> >> Roadmap:
>> >> -----------------
>> >> A- Not only one person must lead Lubuntu but instead of that, a
>> Community
>> >> Council consists of many members - the idea inspired by:
>> >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncil
>> >>
>> >> B- LCC (Lubuntu Community Council) elect one member to lead this
>> Community
>> >> Council at the very beginning of each release cycle  and this election
>> will
>> >> take place every 6 months. Members of LCC will elect their leaders.
>> >>
>> >> C- This is a NON-Technical Board or Council.
>> >>
>> >> D- This Council is in charge of:
>> >> 1- Lubuntu Guards and Keepers - make sure everything goes as smooth as
>> >> possible and make sure Ubuntu Code of Conducts applies and everyone
>> respects
>> >> the other.
>> >> 2- Make sure to build a healthy community based on Team Work, Sharing
>> and
>> >> Motivation.
>> >> 3- No Dictatorship: No one will lead the whole community but instead a
>> >> group of people will do that.
>> >> 4- Any Lubuntu Member can be a member of this Community Council.
>> >> 5- Team Leaders of Lubuntu Sub-Teams are members of this Council.
>> >>
>> >> E- Requirements:
>> >> 1- Must be Active Lubuntu Member at least for 6 months Minimum.
>> >> 2- Members must have proven record of some Lubuntu Community Experience
>> >> (NON-Technical) and members with minimum one year with Lubuntu
>> Community are
>> >> preferred.
>> >> 3- Technical People can join but the above points (#1 and #2) must
>> apply.
>> >> 4- Must sign Ubuntu Code of Conducts.
>> >> 5- Must have a Wiki Page.
>> >> 6- Must have proven record of team work.
>> >> 7- Friendly and nice.
>> >> 8- Must communicate.
>> >> 9- Must leave a note if he/she is busy or will be away.
>> >> 10- Before stepping down, must give a notice
>> >>
>> >> F- Decision Making:
>> >> Lubuntu Community Council is in charge of decision making and the
>> future
>> >> of Lubuntu is between the hands of this council. HOWEVER, NO decision
>> to be
>> >> made UNLESS the whole community (members+users) must be aware of that
>> - to
>> >> send an email to the mailing list. Some decisions can be made by this
>> >> council if and only if it is a derision that requires a high skill of
>> >> Community Experience + Technical Experience which other users may not
>> meet
>> >> this requirement. But all in all, each and every decision will be made
>> >> publicly.
>> >>
>> >> G- Meeting:
>> >> Lubuntu Community Council must have at least one meeting per month.
>> Even
>> >> better, one meeting every two weeks if possible. After the meeting,
>> the log
>> >> must be shared with everyone belong to Lubuntu Community + must be
>> published
>> >> on Lubuntu Social Media
>> >>
>> >> H- Launchpad:
>> >> This Council must have a Launchpad Team +  a Mailing List. The
>> >> owner/creator of that team on Launchpad is NOT necessarily the leader
>> of
>> >> this Council.  He/She could be anyone who would like to help to set up
>> this
>> >> area.
>> >>
>> >> I- This proposal idea will be on this blueprint. Lubuntu Brainstorming
>> >> Team will be assigned to this proposal. Team Leader of Lubuntu
>> Brainstorming
>> >> Team must send an email to both Lubuntu Brainstorming Team + The
>> General
>> >> Mailing List.
>> >>
>> >> J- Discussion will be made here and if most of the active members of
>> >> Lubuntu Community Agree, this idea will be implemented immediately.
>> >>
>> >> K- Lubuntu Community Members can propose some changes on the above but
>> >> must communicate first with Lubuntu Brainstorming Team before doing
>> >> anything. Or simply, just add your comment to the whiteboard.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >>
>> >> Thank you!
>> >>
>> >> amjjawad
>> >> Lubuntu Brainstorming Team Leader
>> >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us."
>> >> Best Regards,
>> >> amjjawad
>> >> Areas of Involvement
>> >> My Projects
>> >>
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>> >
>> > Dear Lubuntu Community,
>> >   +1 This is an excellent idea. Lubuntu, in the long term, is better off
>> > being led by a rotating group of active members of the community. This
>> > ensures the workload and tasks of the community are shared among
>> members and
>> > avoids individual member burnout or overburden.
>> > If this is not done and Lubuntu continues in its current direction, I
>> do not
>> > hold high hopes for it long-term. Every organization, at some point in
>> its
>> > early development, makes the transition from a small size to a larger
>> more
>> > complex size. How successfully this is done determines, in a large way,
>> the
>> > long-term success of the organization. The community council model is
>> the
>> > best way to ensure Lubuntu's continued existence because it more fairly
>> > distributes the tasks and no one person becomes overburdened.
>> >  Let's move forward.
>> >
>> > Best Regards,
>> > David Yentzen
>> > https://launchpad.net/~dbyentzen
>> >
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>> I agree Ali,
>>
>> this could be a good way to back on track, and Lubuntu really needs
>> that now. LTS is not so far as we can think and without a good
>> reorganization we will fail. The problem is, who could be a member of
>> the new council? Not me, as you know Ali I can't assume control on any
>> Team now, nor help constantly. My real life (and my new business
>> incoming) first. Beside that I travel A LOT, so would be difficult to
>> properly follow a project.
>>
>> Mmmmm.... Curiously I'm still here working for testing/QA. :)
>>
>> F.
>>
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