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[Dallas Wiebelhaus <wiebelhaus@xxxxxxxxx>]

The U-Lite Creator Shae Smittle is on board for this endeavor:

http://u-lite.org/content/status-updates

You guys should relax , these things take a while and everyone is busy ,
Things are progressing at individual levels right now so that once everyone
gets together for some real progress we will all have our ducks in a row.
But it's important to note that I'm not a founder of this thing nor anyone
particularly special.
So I have no "Insider information" But I'm sure things will start to
progressing shortly. I've been testing the hell out of builds and
dependencies and packages so when the time comes and the final hammer falls
on "Burning software? Anyone , So & so doesn't require this that and the
other , but this does and the gui is horrid , I suggest we look into this ,
Because it's perfect for this application!" And that man can say that with
confidence because he's hammered it out on his own and knows for a fact what
the deal is.

"Just another distro" type things move quickly without much real thought or
direction , this on the other hand is not like that , this will take time
and patience and perseverance.

Cheers!

On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 9:17 PM, jon york <jr_jr5@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>  I am glad to see that I am not alone with these concerns for the project.
> I do not wish to be the stick in the wheel, nor the stormy little raincloud.
> Personally, computing minimalism is something I feel strongly about, and
> really wish this trend to take wind. One thing that has been bugging me
> since I took part of this, is the seemingly (to me anyways) lack of
> cohesiveness, or coordination of this project. It has been two weeks, and
> still I see no advancement. Maybe I am too far removed, but if not, I have
> the time everyday of the week to read and coordinate emails. If possible,
> and if wished, I could conceivably arrange those contributors into smaller,
> cohesive groups which will allow us to be an official release for 9.10.
>
> I do not mean to step over any toes, or insult anyone by this. I am simply
> stating that I have the time, and the willingness to be a project
> coordinator. If there is one such coordinator, (mario?) I offer my help to
> him or her
>
> Jon York
>
>
>
> > Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 02:21:32 +0100
> > From: lproven@xxxxxxxxx
> > To: lubuntu-desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Project Q's
>
> >
> > 2009/7/7 jon york <jr_jr5@xxxxxxxxxxx>:
> > > Alright, not that I want to start any E-fights, but I do believe these
> are
> > > serious questions that need to be answered
> > >
> > > in any project, there needs to be a driving reason behind it other then
> > > "because", also, there needs to be a reason for people to try it, and
> > > switch, or else this project will eventually fail.
> >
> > I concur.
> >
> > I am somewhat dismayed by what I've read so far. This seems to me to
> > be just another gratuitous "let's do a version of Ubuntu with our
> > favourite desktop environment on it" effort to me, frankly.
> >
> > Firstly, there is an existing effort to create a lightweight version
> > of Ubuntu. It's called U-Lite (formerly Ubuntu Lite until Canonical
> > had Words), being developed largely solo by Shae Smittle.
> >
> > http://u-lite.org/
> >
> > So Lubuntu seems to be rather duplicating this effort.
> >
> > Secondly, If Lubuntu wants to be a lightweight distro for low-end
> > machines, then there is simply no point including large, heavyweight
> > apps such as OpenOffice.
> >
> > There is no reason that a cut-down Linux should not run happily on 15
> > to 20 year old PC hardware - and back in those days, when production
> > volumes were much lower and PCs were much more expensive, they were
> > built of higher-quality components and are quite likely to still be
> > working fine.
> >
> > 192MB of RAM and a few gig of disk is not a particularly lightweight
> > PC. That spec will run Windows XP if you're patient, and a hundred
> > other Linux distros. It will, for example, run Xubuntu quite well.
> >
> > The big gap in the Linux ecosystem is lower down than that. It is for
> > machines which were meant for Windows 98: 64-128MB RAM and 1GB of disk
> > or less.
> >
> > Yes, distros like Puppy Linux and Damn Small Linux will run on this,
> > but they are dramatically constrained and both are designed to run
> > from bootable CDs, not to be installed onto a hard disk. This poses
> > various problems.
> > [1] They are not easy to install.
> > [2] Once installed, they are not easy to keep updated.
> > [3] It's also not trivial to add new applications, remove existing
> > ones and so on.
> > [4] Many very old, very low-spec PCs can't boot from CD anyway. Indeed
> > of my own half a dozen PCs still in regular use, none can boot off a
> > USB stick, and these are all from the 21st century and run modern OSs
> > just fine.
> >
> > There is a real gap in the market for a VERY lightweight Linux desktop
> > aimed at such machines. Bear in mind, if it runs on a 64MB box in
> > 500MB of disk, it will *fly* along on a more modern PC. Aiming at
> > low-end kit does not limit you to low-end kit.
> >
> > LXDE might be just the thing for it, too.
> >
> > But at the moment, it seems to me that the team behind Lubuntu:
> > [a] are rather pointedly snubbing Shae and the U-Lite project
> > [b] lack clear demarcation either from U-Lite or from any other
> > flavour of Ubuntu
> > [c] are including tools that disqualify them from their alleged goal
> > of running on moderately low-end kit which
> > [d] would appear to distinctly overlap with the objectives of Xubuntu,
> > just for starters.
> >
> > My most serious concerns could be expressed thus:
> > - firstly, pick some proper lightweight apps to go with your
> > lightweight desktop. There is no point in just offering the same apps
> > as any other Ubuntu variant.
> > - secondly, stick to one toolkit or set of libraries when doing this,
> > or you will bloat your distro out with a horrendous mix of GNOME
> > libraries and KDE libraries and LXDE libraries and so on.
> > - thirdly, make it a proper, really lightweight distro for really
> > low-end kit. There is an abundance of choice in terms of distros for
> > relatively modern kit, and with nothing to distinguish it, Lubuntu is
> > doomed to obscurity.
> >
> > Set a target - e.g. not more than 250MB of binaries on media, or 500MB
> > installed on disk - something that allows for more functionality than
> > one of the 50MB or 100MB business-card-CD or mini-3"-CD distros - and
> > deliver a proper, installable, updateable, full distro with the power
> > of APT-GET, rather than just another LiveCD.
> >
> >
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